big_wasa
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 posted on 15/1/11 at 11:04 AM |
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Rumours or fact how to clarify.
After this post, link and having read the article in the CBS catalogue. How do I
find out the truth ? The last revision of the Iva manual I can Find on line says nothing of static three point belts not being acceptable but there
is lots of info on three point belts in general.
Can I just ring My local vosa test centre ie Nottingham ? Any one got the number ? Anyone got there Iva soon and can ask for me ?
Is there another way to find out.
I am not going to present it and pay £500+ if that’s a fail and to be honest I have no inclination to make more chassis alterations.
Yours, the last straw wasa.
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graememk
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| posted on 15/1/11 at 11:06 AM |
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the westie type approved car as 3 point belts
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austin man
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| posted on 15/1/11 at 11:12 AM |
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normal cars have 3 point mountings so cant see that 4 point is a requirement, would think the main requirement is down to the structural integrity of
the mounting and being able to prove it. photo evidence visual etc. I failes SVA initially when I mounter my belt to the roll bar, theexaminer felt
that therewas movement in the roll bar so I had to weld an additional brace in place.
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 15/1/11 at 11:19 AM |
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vosa Nottingham Enquiry line 0300 123 9000 The westy 3 point belts in an old catalogue i have were retractable.
Good luck with the test.
Be Lucky Mike.
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Macbeast
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 09:43 AM |
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Yes the manual DOES say 3 point belts have to be retractable. Harnesses do not.
IVA Version 5.02 18/10/10
[Edited on 16/1/11 by Macbeast]
I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop anytime.
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adithorp
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 09:55 AM |
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I think people are getting mixed up between 3point (lap+diagonal) seat belts and 3point harnesses.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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big_wasa
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 10:20 AM |
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mine are seatbelts. ie static lap and diagonal. Proper belts sold by securon and fully adjustable. I will see if I can find the above manual revision
and check that paragraph.
cheers
Ive got a few ideas but ive about lost interest. Ithink I will try and get a few track days in, instead.
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iank
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 11:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
mine are seatbelts. ie static lap and diagonal. Proper belts sold by securon and fully adjustable. I will see if I can find the above manual revision
and check that paragraph.
cheers
Ive got a few ideas but ive about lost interest. Ithink I will try and get a few track days in, instead.
Just pull some inertia belts out of something in the scrap yard, replace with your nice ones after the test if you want.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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big_wasa
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:28 PM |
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Not as simple as that as the reals are designed to work at a specific angle.
securon do one that will work but that brings new problems of edges with mounting the real on a 7.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 03:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
I think people are getting mixed up between 3point (lap+diagonal) seat belts and 3point harnesses.
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
mine are seatbelts. ie static lap and diagonal. Proper belts sold by securon and fully adjustable. I will see if I can find the above manual revision
and check that paragraph.
cheers
Valid point by adi
Having re-read the section for the 6th time, the only wording I could find that may argue that 3 point seat belts arent classed as a 3 point
'harness' is the discription 'an acceptable alternative to any of the seat belt types listed is an adult harness belt comprising
a lap belt and shoulder straps providing the anchorages satisfy section 19'
The emphasis being on the 'Straps not strap(s)'.
If it is considered that a harness must have more than one shoulder strap then you could well need to rethink your setup.
Its also worded similarly in the Glossary
Harness Belt
Means an adult belt which is a harness belt compromising a lap belt and shoulder straps.
Seems very onerous to me though, and as you have suggested, a call to the test centre (or an email to vosa?) may well be the only way to conclude the
issue.
[Edited on 16/1/11 by loggyboy]
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BenTyreman
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 04:48 PM |
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The minimum requirement for a front outboard seat is a 3 point retractor belt. Table note 3 clearly defines this as a lapbelt and a diagonal part with
a retractor acting on the diagonal part. Table note 4 then says that an acceptable alternative to any of the belts listed in the table is an
adult harness, comprising a lapbelt and shoulder straps. Notes 5 and 6 acknowledge the design of what they call a "harness" The only
requirement is that the anchorages satisfy section 19. I can't see anything in section 19 that would omit a 3 point harness.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 16/1/11 at 07:58 PM |
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As mentioned above, this isnt a query about Harnesses, its a query about static seatbelts. IF and its a big IF, the IVA test/VOSA
interprets that a 3 point static seabelt cannot be classed as a Harness.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 17/1/11 at 01:44 PM |
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Ok so ive phoned vosa. I wasnt able to speak with a tester and thay had no specific info and said to try emailing.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 17/1/11 at 07:37 PM |
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I cant be arsed with emails so ive took the plung and choped the diagonal out of the roll bar and am picking up some new steel to put a bar across to
take some four points.
Ive also stripped the the roll bar for a repaint.
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