pewe
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 12:54 PM |
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Q Plate refused first MOT help............
Took the F27 for it's first MOT today.
Local testing station were helpful but decided they couldn't test it.
They obviously haven't done a Q plate before and after ringing the local VOSA office decided that it needed emission figures on the Reg Doc.
Despite me telling them Q plates only required visual testing on start up and if there weren't any figures stated that's what they should
be testing i.e. nothing they felt they couldn't continue!
So apart from trawling the local MOT stations to find someone who knows what to do can anyone please tell me where/who to contact for chapter and
verse?
The car was self-build, first reg 13/11/2008 and has a 1984 engine - not that those should matter anyway.
Any suggestions sooner rather than later gratefully received.
Cheers, Pewe 
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 01:11 PM |
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As it was SVA'd in Nov 2008 and therefore registered after that it should have the emmisions limits on the V5 in the notes and those should be
the same as when SVA'd whether on a Q, age related plate or new. It seems that DVLA have failed to put it on the V5's of some cars when
they've done the registrations (DVLA not knowing their own rules...).
If it's not on the v5 then it should (as a Q plate) be tested as visable smoke only.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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aka Keith
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 01:24 PM |
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Pete, try thames valley MOT in loverstock road area. I know them from my RX7 days.
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deezee
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 02:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pewe
Despite me telling them Q plates only required visual testing on start up and if there weren't any figures stated that's what they should
be testing i.e. nothing they felt they couldn't continue!
The car was self-build, first reg 13/11/2008 and has a 1984 engine - not that those should matter anyway.
Cheers, Pewe
I'm afraid you've got this wrong. The DVLA, who issue the reg plate, do not make the rules for emissions. Your information is nearly 15
years out of date! When the vehicle was SVA'd, VOSA would have set the emissions for the test. Having a Q plate has about as much effect on
emissions testing as the colour of the car. Visual emissions for Q plates are for vehicles registered before 1997.
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pewe
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 02:27 PM |
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Deezee - if you are correct and there are no emissions shown on the Registration document and the VOSA Minister's Approval Certificate (SVA)
dated Oct 2008 shows both CO and HC as N/A then what should the MOT station test against?
That's not a rhetorical question - someone must know the answer so I can obtain an MOT.
Cheers, Pewe 
[Edited on 9/11/11 by pewe]
[Edited on 9/11/11 by pewe]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 02:57 PM |
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Try Kwikfit Basingstoke (Southern Road, the one in town just off one way system).
Ask to speak to Mike and tell him Dave Garside sent you, He is a petrolhead, has a kit and is very helpful chap. He'll understand and know the
rules.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 04:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pewe
first reg 13/11/2008 and has a 1984 engine
so that should give you a max limit of 4.5% CO and 1200ppm HC
if you have something they'll accept as proof of the engin's age you could use that to get it tested
see here:
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm
[Edited on 9/11/2011 by mcerd1]
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ali f27
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 05:19 PM |
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Hi dont panic i got my q 2008 reg 1985 pinto engined f 27 mot in sept local garage and he knows his stuff has westfield will check with him and look
at my mot when i get chance just got in.
Cheers Ali
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westf27
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 05:28 PM |
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Pete.....I had mine mot'd and the computer at the test station told the tester what to check it at.It was also printed on the V5....good luck
steve
555
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pewe
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 05:32 PM |
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More useful info - thanks.
There's an interesting section in the MOT Computerisation Manuals under Exhaust Emissions which states that "a very few vehicles may never
be able to meet the MOT limits" and that if the owner "has sound supporting evidence the vehicle should be considered exempt from the CO
& HC emission requirements"..
Bearing in mind the Volumex engine was a homologation special for Lancia's 037 rally car they were never really intended as a mass volume, road
going engine.
Given that VOSA themselves, when they issued the SVA approval certificate, indicated on it CO and HC were "N/A" that might be the
answer.
Watch this space.....
And Ali ^ that would be great if you could let me know please.
Cheers, Pewe 
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TimEllershaw
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 05:41 PM |
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deleted to avoid the wrath of Russ
[Edited on 10/11/2011 by TimEllershaw]
[Edited on 10/11/2011 by TimEllershaw]
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russbost
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 05:53 PM |
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I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!
From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land
"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"
That mean for emissions visible smoke only.
It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
link
edited to remove non working link!
[Edited on 9/11/11 by russbost]
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Agriv8
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 06:02 PM |
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I wish MOT test'ers new the rules and where to look if they dont
Rant over
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
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tree full of a*seholes .............
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pewe
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 06:17 PM |
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Russbost, that looks pretty specific - so thanks for that and everyone-else for their input.
Never ceases to amaze me the depth and scale of locostbuilders knowledge.
So it's back to the MOT station tomorrow with the print-out in my hot sweaty .....
Will keep you posted.
Cheers, Pewe 
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aerodynamix
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 08:49 PM |
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Emissions limits
I have never seen a logbook with emissions stated on it on any kit type cars registered after 1998 whether they are a q or an age related plate , MOT
tests on cars like ours really needs to be done by people who understand them unfortunately that sort of tester is more likely to fail your car on
something inappropriate if he can't even decide what to do with the emissions .If you were any closer I would suggest you drop by and I could
test it for you - if you're ever in Gloucestershire give me a shout , again if you do have any prob's call me on 07971 264550 (Julian)
and I will speak to them (I am also a site manager as well as being NT)
[Edited on 9/11/11 by aerodynamix]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 08:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!
From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land
"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"
That mean for emissions visible smoke only.
It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
link
d on 9/11/11 by russbost]
SO DO I!!
Sadly, that is a 3rd party website and isnt fully accurate.
If you check the VOSA website, you will find the following:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/7.3%20Exhaust%20Emissions%20-%20Spark%20Ignition%20-%20non%20CAT%20Test.pdf
Check the box in the bottom right corner.
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cloudy
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 09:13 PM |
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My V5 has emissions stated on it... No idea what they'll do if they are not there! loggyboy is right, and they do now need the emissions written
on V5 on recent builds
James
www.warnercars.com
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russbost
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| posted on 9/11/11 at 10:22 PM |
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"quote:
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Originally posted by russbost
I wish people who don't know the answers didn't answer questions!!!
From the current online testers manual which is accessable by every MOT station in the land
"Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971"
That mean for emissions visible smoke only.
It is in the section "How to use this manual" - section 3b
link
d on 9/11/11 by russbost]
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SO DO I!!
Sadly, that is a 3rd party website and isnt fully accurate.
If you check the VOSA website, you will find the following:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/7.3%20Exhaust%20Emissions%20-%20Spark%20Ignition%20-%20non%20CAT%20Test.pdf
Check the box in the bottom right corner."
Yup, I can read & that certainly does apply to any kitcar which DOESN'T have a Q plate, & yes that may be a 3rd party website, but I can
assure you that wording is in the current online manual for MoT stations (I checked today b4 posting!).
Let me make this clear as it has come up several times before
IF THE CAR HAS A Q PLATE THEN IT IS TESTED FOR EMISSIONS AS IF IT IS PRE 1971 - THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS & ANYTHING WRITTEN ON THE LOGBOOK
IS IRRELEVANT
The wording you refer to is applicable ONLY if you can define the age/first use of the vehicle - the meaning of a Q plate is that this information is
NOT known - end of!! You can argue about it as much as you like, but this question came up on a recent MoT testers refresher course & I can assure
you, you are wrong!
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pewe
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| posted on 10/11/11 at 11:45 AM |
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Russbost, you are 100% correct.
VOSA's Local Enforcement Office on Botley helpfully pointed me to the same section in the Intro to the Manual.
Even better news is that via the good ol' boys down at Wyliez Autos in Farley Hill it's booked
tomorrow with his local MOT station which by the sound of it knows what it's doing.
Cheers, Pewe
VV Yea and modest too!!!!
[Edited on 10/11/11 by pewe]
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russbost
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| posted on 10/11/11 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pewe
Russbost, you are 100% correct.
VOSA's Local Enforcement Office on Botley helpfully pointed me to the same section in the Intro to the Manual.
Even better news is that via the good ol' boys down at Wyliez Autos in Farley Hill it's booked
tomorrow with his local MOT station which by the sound of it knows what it's doing.
Cheers, Pewe
Well of course I'm right - aren't I always
Seriously tho' I'm not surprised people get confused by it, the emissions section of the manual is where they ought to have printed that
section, not tucked away at the start of the manual where no ones going to look, because, let's face it if you've been testing for a few
years you're not likely to read the introduction to the manual!
Good luck with the test anyway!
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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mcerd1
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| posted on 10/11/11 at 01:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Seriously tho' I'm not surprised people get confused by it, the emissions section of the manual is where they ought to have printed that
section, not tucked away at the start of the manual where no ones going to look, because, let's face it if you've been testing for a few
years you're not likely to read the introduction to the manual!
but then thats asking VOSA for some common sense
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russbost
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| posted on 10/11/11 at 10:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimEllershaw
deleted to avoid the wrath of Russ
[Edited on 10/11/2011 by TimEllershaw]
[Edited on 10/11/2011 by TimEllershaw]
Ha Ha!! Brilliant - my wrath really isn't that dangerous tho' - my bark is much worse than my bite!!
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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DRC INDY 7
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| posted on 10/11/11 at 11:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by aerodynamix
I have never seen a logbook with emissions stated on it on any kit type cars registered after 1998 whether they are a q or an age related plate , MOT
tests on cars like ours really needs to be done by people who understand them unfortunately that sort of tester is more likely to fail your car on
something inappropriate if he can't even decide what to do with the emissions .If you were any closer I would suggest you drop by and I could
test it for you - if you're ever in Gloucestershire give me a shout , again if you do have any prob's call me on 07971 264550 (Julian)
and I will speak to them (I am also a site manager as well as being NT)
[Edited on 9/11/11 by aerodynamix]
mine has emissions limits on the log book not a Q reg and another vehicle that i test has the cat test emission limit on the log book and th is a Q
reg
Mot tester
QC Tester
[Edited on 11/10/2011 by DRC INDY 7]
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