pewe
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| posted on 26/4/13 at 04:04 PM |
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Buying a SORN'ed vehicle - beware!
I thought the case highlighted below which I came across on ANOther forum might be of interest to other locosters just in case they fall into the same
(unforeseen) trap.
"I have recently received a late penalty notice from the DVLA and paid a fine of £40 for not placing a recently acquired motorcycle on SORN. The
motorcycle was on SORN with the previous owner when I purchased it, but unbeknownst to me that status is not carried across to the new registered
owner. The new registered owner is therefore required to apply for a SORN or a late penalty notice is issued.
As it happens, I had tried to make a SORN application online when I received the new V5, but the online form advised that the licence was current and
I was prevented from changing its status. I therefore assumed that I would receive appropriate notification in due course. Unfortunately, an incorrect
assumption, as all I received was a late penalty notice demanding £40.
I appealed the decision based on the fact that a) the date of expiry of the licence/SORN was the issue date of the V5 and thus I could never have
complied in time for the application not to be late, and b) no advance notification of such an expiry was forthcoming. The DVLA rejected those
arguments, of course, and duly cashed my cheque for £40.
I have since filed a Freedom of Information request asking for figures regarding late penalty notices issued to new registered owners for vehicles
previously on SORN. Conveniently, although the DVLA have a database and are able to issue automated late penalty notices, V5 documents, etc. they
claim not hold the information requested. They did however provide the following figures for Continuous Registration (CR), Late Licence Penalty (LLP)
cases created and the penalties paid before and after referral to a Debt Collection Agency (DCA).
Period CR Cases Created LLPs Paid
Before further action After referral to
DCA
January 2011 to December 2011 514,106 123,300 87,621
January 2012 to October 2012 464,579 96,146 50,427
Total 978,685 219,446 138,048
There was no reason given for the disparity between the number of cases created and the number of LLPs paid, but this is a DVLA scheme which has the
potential of generating £20 million a year in fines alone!!
As was mentioned, DVLA weren’t able to provide figures for new registered owners with previously SORN’d vehicles. However, one might imagine that many
who have purchased historic or off-road vehicles will have contributed to this scheme because the DVLA do not see it as a duty to notify new
registered owners of current vehicle status when they send out a new registration document.
The moral of the story is to persist with a SORN application for a new to you vehicle to ensure that the DVLA doesn’t unfairly get its paws on your
hard earned cash."
Cheers, Pewe10 
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 26/4/13 at 05:34 PM |
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You got off light at £40.
My youngest has just been done for £80.
Sold a bike to a dealer, that was taxed. Dealer didn't re-new it.
My son got the fine because DVLA said they had no record of the transfer, despite both parties sending the required documentation in.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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Jed
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| posted on 26/4/13 at 05:58 PM |
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If anyone buys a vehicle that is on SORN and wants to continue SORN then they should fill in form V890 and tick the appropriate box to indicate
whether the V5 is included or has already been sent. Do that immediately you get the vehicle and you're fine.
Jed
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 26/4/13 at 05:58 PM |
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I wouldn't have sent the cheque in, easy to tick "rejected" and cash a cheque, harder to instigate further communication and try to
force cash out of someone.
quote:
If anyone buys a vehicle that is on SORN and wants to continue SORN then they should fill in form V890 and tick the appropriate box to indicate
whether the V5 is included or has already been sent. Do that immediately you get the vehicle and you're fine. Jed
But if you don't KNOW that you have to do that (where do you find out?) it's unfair to put in place a process that stops you doing it
online but then fines you.
quote:
My son got the fine because DVLA said they had no record of the transfer, despite both parties sending the required documentation
in.
That's why I'd always send such documentation with recorded signed for - then you can prove they received it and it's no longer your
problem.
[Edited on 26/4/13 by coyoteboy]
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snapper
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| posted on 27/4/13 at 08:31 AM |
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Interestingly I had a similar problem when a helpfull ( not) fleet manager scrapped my partners car for her but did not inform DVLA
I spent months backwards and forwards with DVLA until they gave up
Moral is if your right and there system is wrong persist
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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hellblue
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| posted on 27/4/13 at 08:37 PM |
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I have to say that some of the fines they send out are for the sake of it & a con
I bought a car from a friend, he called me to say he had got a fine for not telling them of the sale, he had sent the v5c off as you do, I had done
nothing but collect the car, so how could they have known he had sold it ? unless they had the v5c that is !! the day before his fine went to him the
new v5c turned up at mine .. he took a copy of the v5c in my name & included a semi polite note & a cheque made out to the sum of F.ALL
He never got a reply ....
All based on the fact that the old owner does not know the new owner !
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snippy
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| posted on 27/4/13 at 08:47 PM |
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I wasn`t aware either that if you bought an already SORN`d vehicle anything remaining within the 12 mths isn`t carried over. I`ve just SORN`d the Jago
which I bought 2 mths ago and it`s come up with a message stating last date licensed was in 1993! I hope they don`t try and spank me for 20yrs worth!
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 27/4/13 at 10:53 PM |
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It was certainly the case that if the car had not been taxed since before SORN came in, it was not required to declare SORN on it. I don't know
if this is still the case since SORN was changed to also cover insurance, but I would think they would have left that bit alone.
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