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Patten

posted on 16/12/15 at 09:29 AM Reply With Quote
Pre IVA "Private land testing"

Morning all,

My father and I have just finished building our Fisher Fury R1

We are looking for a place where we can give it the final shake down Pre IVA, at present I don't think the brakes are bedded in enough to pass an IVA it would be nice to go through all of the gears etc

Are there any places in the South East that you can hire for this sort of thing? Not looking to do a track day

Many thanks
Chris

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loggyboy

posted on 16/12/15 at 09:58 AM Reply With Quote
Are you rich? Most test facilities (ie race tracks, TRL Crowthorne, most army land) will charge large figures.
Just go for a spirited drive on the way to the test centre, theres no specific rule to say you cant take an convoluted route to the centre, or book a centre thats your closest. Providing pads and discs are new the surfaces should be mated well and should perform fine for a test. You don't need super braking levels to pass.





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nick205

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:02 AM Reply With Quote
For my SVA I arrived in Southampton test centre with new discs and pads/drums/shoes - passed the brake test fine.






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Ben_Copeland

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:03 AM Reply With Quote
Book a pre mot check, drive there, drive back. But don't get a full MOT as you may end up having to do one every year after that (instead of the 3 years you get with a new car)





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Patten

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:10 AM Reply With Quote
I wish..

Yeah I think the going rate at Bicester Heritage is £100per hour..

We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong


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OEM Escort discs

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russbost

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:26 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
Book a pre mot check, drive there, drive back. But don't get a full MOT as you may end up having to do one every year after that (instead of the 3 years you get with a new car)


Unless something dramatic has changed then surely that would be illegal? According to the plod it is illegal to drive a car on the UK roads without no. plates - I was stopped twice (only times I've ever been stopped with a Furore by the plod!) on different occasions when driving cars to & from DVLA with no plates prior to registration when you used to have to do the check with them after IVA, on both occasions they backed off when I showed them the letter from DVLA saying "you can drive to & from the test station" - however TTBOMK there is no such agreement with driving to/from MoT station, particularly as it wouldn't be for a pre-booked test. You can insure on the chassis no. (tho' many insurers will only give a month or 6 weeks cover like that), but you'd still be illegal without plates





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sdh2903

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:30 AM Reply With Quote
Those wilwood smart pads will never feel great. They are terrible pads. At the first opportunity I'd swap them for some mintex 1144 or ferodo ds2500 pads. You will notice a big difference.
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russbost

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:31 AM Reply With Quote
"We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong"

I'm assuming your system is unservoed? Are you making the comparison against the brakes on a typical tin top? If so then they will feel completely different, first impression is usually "whoa! I've got no brakes!" as you will need much firmer pedal pressure to produce the same sort of braking you're used to with a servo.

I've taken cars for customers in for IVA with discs that I would regard as fit for the bin & yet, even with new, unbedded pads on the old discs, they've still passed. When you took the car to the test station did they run it thro' the brake rollers? &, if so, what was their verdict?





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johnH20

posted on 16/12/15 at 10:39 AM Reply With Quote
I took my car for an Activity Day at North Weald. Cost £50 but well worth it to sort brake balance and bedding issues. Check out www.carlimits.com.
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posted on 16/12/15 at 10:45 AM Reply With Quote
Do you know anyone with a big carpark? The company I worked for at the time of completing my build let me use the empty carpark at the weekend to do a shakedown drive. It was a private car park with security with no public entry so nice and safe.

Might be worth an ask of anyone you know with an office/factory car park.





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DJT

posted on 16/12/15 at 11:41 AM Reply With Quote
My new brakes got through the IVA fine. Tester did have to do a couple of slow laps around the site with the brakes on though to get them bedded in. Prior to that it had only been trailered for an MoT and done a couple of stops on the rollers.

Brands Hatch let you do the £25/30 taster sessions, but might be a bit of a big leap for a brand new build.





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Patten

posted on 16/12/15 at 11:45 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong"

I'm assuming your system is unservoed? Are you making the comparison against the brakes on a typical tin top? If so then they will feel completely different, first impression is usually "whoa! I've got no brakes!" as you will need much firmer pedal pressure to produce the same sort of braking you're used to with a servo.

I've taken cars for customers in for IVA with discs that I would regard as fit for the bin & yet, even with new, unbedded pads on the old discs, they've still passed. When you took the car to the test station did they run it thro' the brake rollers? &, if so, what was their verdict?


Yep unservoed. Yes we took it to a friend who runs an MOT garage and they ran it on the brake rollers. I think the efficiency was below the recommended levels for the weight of the vehicle.

Thank you all for the suggestions

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Ben_Copeland

posted on 16/12/15 at 11:48 AM Reply With Quote
If its booked into an MOT and insured then its fine. You can drive to and from MOT with no TAX/PLATES just insurance is the key.

That's from my MOT tester friend so assume he would know.

[Edited on 16/12/15 by Ben_Copeland]





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mackei23b

posted on 16/12/15 at 11:49 AM Reply With Quote
Both times I've bedded my brakes while on the way to the SVA or IVA test, both times passed first time.

Last year I got pulled over by the Police on the way back from the IVA as I had no plates, I showed the police my IVA booking, certificate as it passed and my insurance against the chassis number.

He kindly let me on his way and radioed his colleagues in the area to let them know I was legitimate so I didn't get pulled over again.

Cheers

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pewe

posted on 16/12/15 at 12:27 PM Reply With Quote
Don't know what brake set-up you're using but I had similar problems with the F27 when I built it.
In my ignorance I'd put the larger of the two master cylinders to the fronts (bigger's got to be better) - passed SVA but it was only on our first trackday and we'd cooked the rears I realised it should have been the smaller M/c operating the fronts (smaller bore = higher pressure)
Worth checking?
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v8kid

posted on 16/12/15 at 12:49 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pewe
In my ignorance I'd put the larger of the two master cylinders to the fronts (bigger's got to be better) - passed SVA but it was only on our first trackday and we'd cooked the rears I realised it should have been the smaller M/c operating the fronts (smaller bore = higher pressure)
Cheers, Pewe10


I did exactly the same at my SVA. It took a bit of head scratching to work out what was wrong but easily fixed

Cheers!





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russbost

posted on 16/12/15 at 01:13 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
If its booked into an MOT and insured then its fine. You can drive to and from MOT with no TAX/PLATES just insurance is the key.

That's from my MOT tester friend so assume he would know.

[Edited on 16/12/15 by Ben_Copeland]


If you had a vehicle such as an import I seem to remember that used to be the case when I was a MoT tester myself, but that was in the days when an imported vehicle was taken for an MoT test, had a sticker put over the speedo to convert from km to mph & the local road tax office would then give you a reg. no. It was also the same for kitcars as that was how they were registered prior to SVA/IVA, however, TTBOMK now it would be illegal as the vehicle has no I.D. on the UK roads. It's possible it just might be ok if going for a pre-booked MoT test, but then that defeats the point as once in the system for MoT it would then require an MoT after the first year, rather than 3 years.

So far as I am aware the only way you can legally drive the car on the public road is to & from the IVA test, & I would suggest that if the route was exceedingly extended, then that would probably be deemed illegal too!

I don't want you to think I'm being picky here Ben, just bothered that someone could take the advice & then get nicked! If anyone can confirm the definitive current answer would be good!





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adithorp

posted on 16/12/15 at 01:29 PM Reply With Quote
You can drive "to/from a legally required (pre-booked) test" As an unregistered kit doesn't "legally require" an MOT you are on thin ice driving to one should you get stopped.

OP there is (and I'm amazed nobody else spotted it) a glaring error in your original post... kit cars are NEVER "finished"





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CosKev3

posted on 16/12/15 at 03:48 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Patten
I wish..

Yeah I think the going rate at Bicester Heritage is £100per hour..

We took the car for an MOT just to get an idea and the brakes and they didn't "feel" very strong


Fronts:
Willwood Powerlites
Willwood smart pads (road going type)
OEM Escort discs

Rear:
Sierra Calipers
OEM disc and pads


What have you used to gain brake bias?

As above with pedal feel,no servo makes the brake pedal really hard to press with not much initial bite compared to a servo assisted car

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johnH20

posted on 16/12/15 at 05:51 PM Reply With Quote
A brake system needs to be designed, just putting a best guess set of components together is unlikely to provide the best result. I am not an expert but I did my research to find out - the Brake Handbook by Fred Puhn is a good start if you can find a copy, but there are other sources. In summary it is a question of getting the mechanical and hydraulic ratios optimised. A big master cylinder and small pedal ratio will give you high efforts and small pedal movement. The reverse applies. Getting the balance between these two is the trick. Might be worth checking what other Fury users do. Good luck.
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posted on 16/12/15 at 07:56 PM Reply With Quote
If i was in your boat i would go to brands, take it off the trailer and drive it round all of the roads within the grounds. Plenty of space there and if anyone asks, tell them that you are checking the car over before going back on track.

Or

I would do a novice half day. You can poodle round with a novice square on the back and do as you feel fit at a faster pace.





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ianhurley20

posted on 17/12/15 at 10:23 AM Reply With Quote
I am going to try a test drive before IVA to check speedo and brakes and self centering. I've found an old wartime airfield I can get access to, perhaps there is a similar one near the op? Cost = zero.






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ian locostzx9rc2

posted on 17/12/15 at 11:17 AM Reply With Quote
Hi Chris I'm assuming your close to Bicester what about asking someone at upper heyford ?
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ian locostzx9rc2

posted on 17/12/15 at 11:17 AM Reply With Quote
hi Chris good luck with the car I live in Bicester if your local ?

[Edited on 17/12/15 by ian locostzx9rc2]

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Patten

posted on 18/12/15 at 11:15 AM Reply With Quote
Thanks for all the reply's

I am based down in Maidstone, Kent. So Bicester would have been a bit of a trek for us anyway

The Brands idea sounds good to me although I can't imagine they would appreciate somebody tearing up and down just outside of the track.

Even though the car has been finished off to what I believe is a good standard, the thought of going to an IVA without actually testing the car anywhere just seems strange.

[Edited on 18/12/15 by Patten]

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