givemethebighammer
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 10:39 PM |
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Modifying number plates but staying legal
I am trying to find a legal way of getting a front number plate on my tiger. I currently have a full sized stick on plate on the nose cone. As visible
as this is, it is still not legal and an over zealous police man may still fine for it. There is very little space at the bottom of the nose cone to
fit a full sized plate. However cutting a full sized one down as per picture below may do the trick.
What do you think ? Letters all legal size and spacing, BS mark still there. I can't find anything anywhere that states the number plate has to
be certain dimensions. Only stuff on letter sizes, fonts and spacing.
?
 
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tri
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 10:45 PM |
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phone your local police station and ask would be an idea but i could be wrong
Tri
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 10:50 PM |
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I don't see why that should be a problem, as you say the law only seems to deal with letter sizes, not the actual plate size.
I don't understand why you have to chop it in the first place? Plenty of people have fitted full sized plates. Here's an example I stole
from Mookaloid's gallery  :
 
paddock
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 10:52 PM |
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PS If you do decide to chop the plate down it might be worth getting something in writing from the local DVLA/police saying that it's ok to do
so. That way if anyone questions it in future you can prove that you made all the necessary enquiries.
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 10:52 PM |
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If you can prove to the dvla that the car is not designed to take a full plate you can get permission to fit a slightly smaller one (the sizes are all
laid down) dunno anyone who has got away with this though
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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rayward
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 11:09 PM |
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from DVLA website
NUMBER PLATES FITTED AFTER 1 SEPTEMBER 2001
Number plates fitted after 1 September 2001 must display characters that meet the dimensions shown below.
Characters
Height 79mm
Width (except the figure 1 or letter l) 50mm
Stroke 14mm
Space between characters 11mm
Space between groups 33mm
Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 11mm
Space between vertical lines 19mm
The character width has been slightly reduced from 57mm to 50mm to accommodate the Euro-symbol on the number plate.
Ray
[Edited on 17/5/05 by rayward]
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UncleFista
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| posted on 17/5/05 at 11:18 PM |
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We didn't bother with one on the front after we passed the SVA, we thought we'd put one on once we'd stopped driving it long enough
to fit one 
Eight months and several thousand miles later and we've still not got around to it...
I never get a second look from the plod, I can only assume that as we have a full size rear plate, they think it's ok ?!? Or some confusion as
to whether it's OK for bikes then it must be OK for "that funny little car" ?!?
I'd rather risk being pulled by a copper who just *might* fall for my well rehearsed "it was there when I set off, the bloody thing
must've fallen off" speech than some neo-nazi who thinks hanging should be brought back specifically for people with none-standard plates
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 07:38 AM |
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this is the section I was refering to - as I say it would need to be 'interpreted' by a very friendly dvla man on a good day - but it
should be possible......
Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles
(which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate)
Certain imported vehicles may be permitted to display number plates with smaller characters if:
* The vehicle does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval
AND
* The vehicle's construction/design cannot accomodate standard size number plates
Specifications for smaller sized plates (for certain imported vehicles)
Character Height
64mm
Character Width
44mm
Character Stroke
10mm
Space between characters
10mm
[Edited on 18/5/05 by DaveFJ]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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JAG
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 09:21 AM |
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I used this bit of info,
"Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 11mm" (as in raywards reply)
found on the DVLA website to justify my front plate, see below.
 
More spring evening
All characters and spacings are fully compliant but because I have 6 characters (rather than 7) I cut off the spare bits at each end and left about a
20mm margin.
[Edited on 18/5/05 by JAG]
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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Dusty
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 10:20 AM |
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I've been thinking of doing the oposite, getting a stick-on plate on the nose to replace the proper flat plate under the nose cone. Make it more
difficult for mobile safety cameras. Whats the penalty for a non regulation numberplate compared to a speeding fine and points?
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Avoneer
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 11:01 AM |
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3 points and a fine - just the same as speeding, but all depends on the fed that stops you.
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 11:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Avoneer
3 points and a fine - just the same as speeding, but all depends on the fed that stops you.
Pat...
are you sure on this ? I had heard somewhere that it was just a £20 fine ?
[Edited on 18/5/05 by DaveFJ]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 01:49 PM |
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i heard it was just a fine,anyhow when was the last time you saw plod on the road?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 02:11 PM |
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The last time I saw a plod on the road was this morning near Thetford Norfolk , he pulled me up because I had no number plates on car on my way home
from S.V.A .in Norwich Good thing I had a Ministers Approval Certificate. Bloody cold in an open top at 6am this morning
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 02:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
on my way home from S.V.A .in Norwich Good thing I had a Ministers Approval Certificate.
Shouldn't that be said with an almighty cheer?
David
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 02:30 PM |
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YEAH !! Dennis the guy that tested the car was very helpful , only had to adjust 1 headlight slightly and also the brake bias while he had a cuppa.
Top guy.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 02:39 PM |
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Well done that man!
DJ
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 09:45 PM |
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GMTBH,
Firstly - just a daft point ref your post - front plate needs white background. Your eg is yellow.
Secondly - Why is the stick-on plate NG? Is it cos it doesnt have makers post code etc? i woul dbe very surprised if you got stopped for having the
stick on plate.
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 09:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
GMTBH,
Firstly - just a daft point ref your post - front plate needs white background. Your eg is yellow.
Secondly - Why is the stick-on plate NG? Is it cos it doesnt have makers post code etc? i would be very surprised if you got stopped for having the
stick on plate.
The yellow plate was just to illustrate (pic from web).
The stick on plate
a. is not rigid
b. does not carry the manufacturers name or a "BS" mark.
The Police are starting to get keener on small plates etc. Recently heard of one of the Westfield lot getting a £30 for a front plate that was too
small. Apparently the plod who did him said he stopped him to show he didn't only pick on motorcyclists.
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Peteff
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| posted on 18/5/05 at 11:01 PM |
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A mate of mine got nicked for a stickon on a mini bonnet years ago. They are supposed to be flat and vertical.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 19/5/05 at 07:30 PM |
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Forgot about that one Pete, flat and vertical. Apparently the only car that can legally use a stick on plate is the Jaguar E Type.
Anyway found what I needed:
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm
By those guidelines trimming the plate so it fits better should not give the plod an excuse to pull me (do they need one ?)
I think I'll do what JAG did, a little trimming all round.
thanks
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 24/5/05 at 01:06 PM |
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try working through this lot.....
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2001/20010561.htm#6
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 24/5/05 at 11:53 PM |
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done mine like JAG's fits much better now and meets the requirements stated on the DVLA website.
That link is pants
"which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other
device."
seems to be the main theme running through the entire document"
ba$t@rds.
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 25/5/05 at 10:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by givemethebighammer
done mine like JAG's fits much better now and meets the requirements stated on the DVLA website.
and ........promptly knocked the thing off this morning backing the car out of the garage (small step as you come out of door)
... so much for trying to stay legal
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mad4x4
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| posted on 27/5/05 at 12:31 PM |
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If your present the vehicle with a Stick on plate (blank) at the SVA and he accepts it would that then be covered under the MAC cert.?
YES YES YES I know that a vhicle presented shouldn't have any plates on it but its just a thought.
My Landrover has a smaller than standard plate stuck just below the windscreen (and its silver and black not white and black)- Passes MOT's ok.
Plods never stop me yet and thats 20 months.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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