adam_moore
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 11:31 AM |
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SVA Fail - DERBY
Failed today on the following points:
Emissions:
He sais that even though I have a 1993 bike engine, the emissions test will be for cars upto 2004...?
CO% limit 0.2 measure 1.44
HC ppm limit 200 measure 403
lambda 0.97 / 1.03 measure 1.05
I'm way out! The guy siad I would need a CAT to get it through but I thought that with pre 1995, I wouldn't need one. Maybe the engine is
running too rich?
Too Loud - had to take the wool out to get the probe in and wasn't allowed to replace it.
General radius's - just a few small ones here and there
Fog lamp not square...unfortunatly the housing from SVC doesnot position the lamp square on the rear panel. I asked if there was a tolerance and was
told no.
Interior mirror vibrates - needs some strengthening
If anyone has any thoughts on the emissions and how I'm going to get around it then please help! Failed me on lack of restrictor in the fuel cap
too.
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 11:38 AM |
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Bad luck mate.
What do you mean by a restrictor in the fuel cap? I haven't fitted a fuel cap yet and I want to make sure I do it right.
As far as I know you will need a Cat even though the bike the engine came from wasn't fitted with one. It seems as soon as you fit a bike engine
to a car the rules change! It's only car engines of a certain age like my '79 Escort engine that are exempt (I think). All the best for
the retest.
Cheers
Jon
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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Hellfire
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 11:46 AM |
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Its the first time I've heard of a pre 1995 bike engine having to go through the strict emissions test.  Did you show him proof that your
engine is pre 1995? Fuel filler restricters only need to be used on Post 1995 engines. The other stuff it failed on isn't too much of a problem.
I may be wrong but it sounds like you don't have written proof of engine age.
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shortie
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 11:55 AM |
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If you have proof of engine age and it is pre 1995 you do not need to pass the emissions test for 2004!! I reckon he's talking b****cks, I would
ask for clarification.
Did you show him the proof of engine age from Honda?
Also pre 1995 engines do not need a restrictor fitted, get him to check for clarification on that to.
Fog light thing is a pain, I reckon you should ask SVC about it as they must know it needs to be at right angles to the floor.
Loudness is a pain but put the baffle in front of the silencer in the joining pipe between the mainfold and box.
Assuming you can sort the emissions and noise then the other things are minor so a good result really.
Rich.
[Edited on 31/8/05 by shortie]
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adam_moore
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 11:56 AM |
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I had the official letter from Honda for the engine age but was told it pritty much counts for nothing? Do you know where in the manual it details
what emissions I must pass for a pre 1995 engine.
He said the only two options on the machine are something like 1989 - 2004 and then 2005 onwards?
I really confused as to what I need to pass?!
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MikeR
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:00 PM |
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fuel restrictor - to stop a leaded fuel nozel going into an unleaded tank the hole is smaller. If you're car is on unleaded it must have a
smaller fuel filler hole.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:02 PM |
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Jon,
Don't worry about your x-flow - even if you get a leaded conversion done, it's still basically a 'leaded' engine, so no
restrictor is required.
The aim of the reg is to stop dumb people putting leaded into an unleaded car which will have a catalytic converter.
David
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shortie
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:09 PM |
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Here's the section from the manual....
"11. Vehicles That Require a Catalyst
Test
a) Vehicles that are listed in the current
edition of the “In Service Exhaust
Emissions Standards for Road Vehicles”
publication that are
• petrol fueled “Passenger Cars”
having an effective date from
1 August 1992 - 31 July 1995
*see note below.
• petrol fueled other four or more
wheeled vehicles having an
effective date from 1 August 1994 -
31 July 1997 * see note.
NOTE: A catalyst test is not applicable
if it can be demonstrated by the
submission of vehicle specific evidence
from the manufacturer, that confirms
the date of manufacture of the vehicle
and that it was not manufactured with
a catalyst equipped emission system."
I did SVA and it passed no problem as he said it was pre August 1995 and it didn't need the restrictor for the same reason.
Rich.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:14 PM |
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As Rich has stated above.
If you want to read further, check this link out. Page 157. Clause 11
2004 SVA
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shortie
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:15 PM |
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Section 18 has a flow chart which clearly shows that as your engine should have a non CAT test......
http://www.shortshouse.co.uk/Emissions_Flowchart.pdf
HTH,
Rich.
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shortie
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:26 PM |
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and here's the bit about the fuel filler, no Catalyst test, no restrictor required....section 1b on this page.
http://www.shortshouse.co.uk/fuel_filler.pdf
[Edited on 31/8/05 by shortie]
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adam_moore
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:29 PM |
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Nice one guy's. So with this in mind, my emissions should have been well under?
I'll be calling them this afternoon to see if I can iron things out. Do you know if the regshave changed since that manual was created?
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shortie
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| posted on 31/8/05 at 12:39 PM |
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Well they hadn't when mine went through at the end of July!! so I reckon not.
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adam_moore
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 08:12 AM |
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Just spoke to the SVA centre and they agreed with the explantion that I gave and have reversed the decission on the emission and the restrictor. So
now its just small jobs to fix for a retest next week!
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DarrenW
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 08:28 AM |
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Well done that man. After an initial scare you must be well chuffed. A good weekends work should see it all completed.
Have you sussed out how to reduce the noise? Borrowing someones exhaust might be an idea.
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 09:31 AM |
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Cheers
for that
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Jon,
Don't worry about your x-flow - even if you get a leaded conversion done, it's still basically a 'leaded' engine, so no
restrictor is required.
The aim of the reg is to stop dumb people putting leaded into an unleaded car which will have a catalytic converter.
David
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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shortie
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 11:54 AM |
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Excellent Adam, not much to sort and you'll be on the road in no time!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 1/9/05 at 12:06 PM |
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That's good news!!
It must have been difficult for the SVA guy to accept that he was wrong and also difficult for you to tell him.
Just goes to show that SVA inspectors are mostly human afterall 
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