cornishrob
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 04:28 PM |
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registration and parts
Im planning on building a shelsley t2 GT starting next month, but before i do i want to be certain on engine before i go about buying anything.
the problem im having is i want a brand new regristration on the car when its finished as it will be a brand new car but to do this can i use a second
hand engine or will i be required to use a brand new or reconditiond one?
can someone please explaine the rules on registrations and parts to me please
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eagle
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 04:44 PM |
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Good luck on the build
As far as I know you can use one reconditioned main part and still get a new regristration
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emsfactory
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 05:10 PM |
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You can use one old part as long as it has been reconditioned to as new condition. Not sure if its 2005/6 as new condition for emmissions etc. or as
new when first made.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 05:22 PM |
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Agree with above - you are allowed one reconditioned major part as long as brought back to as new spec.
Why do you want new reg? Costs a lot more to do that. Why not go for age related and fit private plate. Log book will state correct date of
registration whichever route you take. Youwill have comprehensive build history as well. Food for thought.
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cornishrob
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 06:09 PM |
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The reason id like to go for a brand new reg is because there isn't a donor car for it so nothing to relate the age too and would otherwise then
qualify me for a Q plate and i deffinatly dont want one of those.
So when you say 1 main reconditiond part could that be engine and box or would i have to have one or the other new?
Engines even if reconditond are measured on emissions relating to there original time of production, any pre 92 engine will not require a catalytic
converter even if its been reconditiond and put in a new car.
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smart51
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 07:17 PM |
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Getting brand new engines isn't a problem, other than cost. I've seen new 1800 zetec engines offered for sale for £1000 in one of the kit
car magazines. I bet you can get 2.0s as well. Pleanty of companies import V8s new from the US. You've got to have the readdies though.
Why go for a new plate? It will be an old plate soon enough. Unlike ordinary cars, kits don't loose much value with age, condition and spec
are all that count.
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Dusty
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 11:51 PM |
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I thought to get a new registration it must be constructed of all new parts bar one, such as engine reconditioned to as new. There is thus no donor as
that can only yield used parts. The source of the reconditioned part is irrelevant to the registration of the new car. The car is registered as new
and has to meet current emissions.
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muzchap
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| posted on 19/12/05 at 10:04 AM |
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Only 1 major component can be Second Hand - but it MUST be reconditioned to 'as new' condition...
Although you could probably get away with the gearbox too - if you paint it up and make it look nice :p
The engine is tested to it's ORIGINAL manufacture date..
E.g. my car is all new, except the engine - which is a 'L' Reg Zetec 2.0L (it makes it by about 2 months...)
Rob - the engine must not be later than August 1995 - different rules for KitCars, as opposed to 'normal' road-going cars! 
Explained here: click me, click me, click me
Once Ford have faxed me confirmation, my car will be tested to this emission specification - which means it won't require a CAT
Good luck with the build Rob :-)
Murray
[Edited on 19/12/05 by muzchap]
[Edited on 19/12/05 by muzchap]
[Edited on 19/12/05 by muzchap]
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cornishrob
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| posted on 19/12/05 at 05:57 PM |
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So if i were to build a car using donor parts it would be registered on the age of donor parts instead of a Q plate?
TBH i would like a new reg plate so that i can have a personal plate which i cant get in old style registrations (goes embarrased)
As for emissions im not worried about fitting a cat, high flow sports cats are not overly expensive or hard to include in a system.
The main reason for the use of a non brand new engine would be on cost rather than emissions.
Can anyone tell me what the SVA consider as reconditiond? If i were to be overly ambitious as one engine option is the VAG 20 valve turbo I would
rebuild it myself only retaining the crankshaft from the stock internals which would be machined to knifedge and balanced. If i were to do that would
it warrent being called a new engine?
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02GF74
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 08:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cornishrob
So if i were to build a car using donor parts it would be registered on the age of donor parts instead of a Q plate?
TBH i would like a new reg plate so that i can have a personal plate which i cant get in old style registrations (goes embarrased)
If you can show sufficient parts are taken from the donor, you should be able to get age related plate the same year as the donor (note: this IS NOT
the donor plate).
That is my plan but if I get Q, then so be it.
It is your money so you need to decide where your money is better spent: on bettter brakes, better engine etc: or on personalised plate and new parts
to get a new reg.
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smart51
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 12:23 PM |
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Want a new 2.0i zetec engine? see the link below. £950 and is ready for RWD use aparently.
http://www.totalkitcar.com/am/listings/index.html
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cornishrob
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 04:58 PM |
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Id rather not use a ford engine tbh, had a few and we tend not to get along with each other 
So to get an age related plate i am required to use sufficient parts from the donor vehicle. Can anyone tell me how many parts i would need to do
this? what kind of parts?
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 06:16 PM |
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The V627/1 form that you complete for registration has the categories:-
Chasis/Body shell
Axles
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
Suspension(front & back)
And points are scored for each of these either being new or from the donor.
I can't remember the scoring system but if you go into your local DVLA office (or whatever they call themselves these days) you should be able
to get the info from there.
Regards
Keith
Suffolk
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smart51
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 06:51 PM |
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You have to get 8 points to keep the original reg.
Body / chassis = 5 points
engine = 1 point
all others = 2 points each
all parts except the chassis = 7 points (ie not enough)
For an age related plate, you need fewer parts, two I think but I'm not sure. That would mean both axles plus the steering, leaving you free to
fit your own engine and box, plus new suspension from your kit.
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matty_64
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 07:59 PM |
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to qualify for an age related plate i think the requirement is 2 major parts from the donor(im using engine & gearbox).i hope so or else im
stuffed.i dont know if a photo copy of the donors v5 is acceptable,ive sorned my donor just to be sure.
good luck with the build.kit car magazine gave a very good review of the shelsey this month
[Edited on 20/12/05 by matty_64]
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smart51
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| posted on 20/12/05 at 10:24 PM |
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Engine and transmission = 2 parts so you might be OK.
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cornishrob
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| posted on 21/12/05 at 05:42 PM |
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thankyou for all the help guys, if i can get an age related plate on the provison that the engine and gearbox come from a single donor car chances are
it will be a new registration style anyway
(slaps forehead)
Matty, It was the review of the shelsley that put me into the idea, The only other car i could find that suited my requirements in my price range was
the venom viper GTS replica which being very nice and accurate is still a replica of something its not.
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