saigonij
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 07:12 AM |
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Chassis Certificate?
We are building a Luego Velocity, and the other guy in the build thinks that we need a certificate for the chassis ( after reading the SVA manual ).
Is this correct? DO we need to produce a stress test certificate for the chassis at SVA time?
If so, are we royally b*ggered now that Luego have gone bust?
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Humbug
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 07:17 AM |
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I don't think so - I didn't have or need to find a chassis certificate for my Stuart Taylor.
Do you have a receipt from Luego? That would probably be OK to show that it is a manufactured chassis, rather than home built, if that is what you are
asking.
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russbost
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 07:20 AM |
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No, you don't, think about it, how would anyone building a Locost chassis from scratch be able to produce a stress certificate? Wouldmake things
horrendously expensive. Things to come from this Nanny State government perhaps?
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tks
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 08:13 AM |
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:cool: Time will tell
The problem is that the EU rulez this year are gonna be modified a bit of our type of cars (small production).
The problem with this type of car is that at the moment every country can apply different rulez. Sow a car build by Donkervoort in holland (there they
have a national type homologation).
That same car had problems entering in spain. The ministers of holland then told that it was due the Eu rulez not being on the same level yet....
in any other country´s there don´t exist a SVA. In england you guys go to the SVA like if it was to the super market.
over here and in holland the "sva market" is allot smaller and in spain you could count to the number in 10seconds.
My predictions are that the SVA rulez are gonna be tightened also i think that because the automotive market in the EU is going bad, sow i think if
they make the sva more difficult then they will sell some more cars.
The problem is that the big car manufactures (Opel,VW,Honda,Toyota,Renault) have huge power and also in Brussel.
I have always tought about the chasis "proof of welding" you don´t??
imagine you take your self welded car to the highw ay at 80Mph there brakes something (Chasis member), you as driver will have a problem, but the
problem is that the community now a days don´t want to pay others people faults sow in fact with a non certificated chasis you risks live of
others....
I hope this all isn´t of anny true and never will be reality but i 2 know that i couldn´t trow any trash at the ministers
its just the virtual risk what you have got when welding your own chasis!
What i think:
- to let SVA your car, you will need a certificated homologated Chassis from a certified manufacture! the certificate will then be accepted all over
the EU and
with that certificate the need to sva cars in UK will be over.
If you want to weld/build your own chasis it will be possible but only if a certified engineeer will make the "chasis" paper hassle for
you in ordnung.
one problem wich they have got here in spain is the fact that the kitcar doesn´t has a brand? If on my normal daily tin top car states Opel (GM) what
should the spanish people put on my car? wich uses a bit of everything + a chasis of a velocity XT wich is welded by luego. But i bet that Luego isn´t
on their list of choices....
also the rulez difference between the EU members will be blown away just a matter of time.
You al guys should see that many country´s are facing SVA imports from the UK and because UK is a EU member there are faced with
"problems".
What i also think is that the ministers should work more completely ( i mean to say that they should handle/complete one subject 100% before making
rulez).
i think its bloody expensive to let them be together and only realize some rulez for the big companies and later on again together for the smaller
ones, and later on again for the hobbieist, smaller manufacturer!!
what if in englang i weld a chasis, SVA the car, sell the car, and the next owner dies in a accident where they can decompile that it was a chasis
weld wich blew away.
Who is responsible for that? I?
offcourse it is maybe a not reality story but aks your self could it be true??
in the earlier days it was easy to be a car manufacture.. and i´m sure sir. ford has left a couple of square miles of country for his fam. but we
little car manufactures are just a bit too late and now we are facing with 21century rulez and production methods, but our ways of building are from
the 20,5 century...
Just my 2euro pound cent...
Tks
[Edited on 4/5/06 by tks]
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 08:37 AM |
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i didnt need a cert, just the receipt to prove it was a bought brand new chassis.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 08:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
No, you don't, think about it, how would anyone building a Locost chassis from scratch be able to produce a stress certificate? Wouldmake things
horrendously expensive. Things to come from this Nanny State government perhaps?
Don't hold your breath on this one.
It may not be the case yet but I would bet it will come eventually.
They allready have just this in Australia!
When you build a chassis there you have to employ a gov approved, registered engineer to stress test your chassis and issue a torsion certificate.
The whole car has to comply with what are known as ADR's which are Australian design rules and make a joke of our SVA test.
You are not allowed to manufacture things like peddel boxes for example. They have to be unmodified items from a production car or certified
aftermarket items.
Watch this space.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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Bo
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 11:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by saigonij
We are building a Luego Velocity, and the other guy in the build thinks that we need a certificate for the chassis ( after reading the SVA manual ).
Is this correct? DO we need to produce a stress test certificate for the chassis at SVA time?
If so, are we royally b*ggered now that Luego have gone bust?
I have these documents, give me your email address and you will have them too......... 
[Edited on 4/5/06 by Bo]
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saigonij
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 12:53 PM |
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brill, just sent you an email!
thanks.
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Alan_Thomas
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 01:12 PM |
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No stress test in Uk - now if you had been building in Australia you would have to have a torsional test cert for every chassis. They also insist on
notching or kinking tubes to ensure controlled collapse of the chassis in an accident.
- Alan
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