macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 10:08 AM |
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missing engine number
Hi,
going though the sva manual I have noticed a BIG problem! Trying to find the engine number for my essex 6v I have discovered it doesn't have
one, Its been ground off! oh poop!
The engines a fully reconditioned unit I bought from a guy who had it in his old capri. I have had it in cars before and never noticed it had no
number as I painted the block. I have a pinto in a JBA falcon but it will be a real sod to swap them over as the falcons front is no longer removable,
barring angle grinder, which you need to do to remove the engine. What a disaster...
What am I to do? make up a number? I was thinking of going to a scrappy to find one but there's not many off the engines left.
How do I prove what year the engines from for emissions? as I want to use a carb.
Help please required!
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RazMan
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 10:24 AM |
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Ideally you would have to change the block or engine to comply with all the legal stuff. I am not sure you can do anything else unless you can get
another block from the scrappy and punch that number on your existing block, then scrap the other block (if you get what I mean)
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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smart51
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 10:30 AM |
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I registered my car without an engine number. It is quite legal to do so. I had trouble with the VOSA inspection until I found a printed reciept on
letter headed paper for the engine. Once I found this, I got my registration number OK.
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 10:41 AM |
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Hmm how do you mean regestered? do you mean getting it through the sva test or just keeping the orginal donor car reg way of things.
I was just on the phone to the scrappy they want 175+vat for a crappy old 140k v6. Yeh right! Anyone got a picture of the engine number location, like
in a manual or something so I can take the number from that...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 10:52 AM |
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Earlier in the year (or maybe last year ??) I gave away a 78 3.0l auto capri to someone in the scottish capri owners club - complete with a (barely)
running engine
There are plenty of scrap capri's and scimitars and parts around (hiding in sheds like my scimitar) - some of the owners clubs do classified
adds etc
I shouldn't take long to find another engine/block if you wanted (although you'd probibly need to rebuild it)
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 11:01 AM |
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I think I have the problem licked. I now have the number of an engine (never put your engine number on the web) and will simply take the number before
that...yeh!
Oh I can hear the tut tut's from here, but I've had that thing for ages. I still have the receipt from the guy I bought it from so thats
handy.
Thanks for all the advise but I think I'll just be bad instead!
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James
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 11:19 AM |
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Bear in mind that if you don't want a 'Q' plate (you may, in which case ignore this) you have to get a letter from Ford proving your
engine age.
So your 'new' number needs to be a valid one that Ford will recognise.
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 11:26 AM |
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good point but Q plate doesn't bother me on this car as it looks like a kit car anyway, you know what I mean!
Don't I have to prove the engine age even for an SVA test if I want to use a carb? I have an injection set up for it but not the room to fit it!
The new engine numbers valid and I did a check to see if anyone on the web has it for there car and nothing came up.
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by macnab
The new engine numbers valid and I did a check to see if anyone on the web has it for there car and nothing came up.
what did you search? Unless you know something I don't, I doubt a web search is conclusive proof.
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 11:43 AM |
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well, how many Capri’s still survive not many. I had one and that didn't last very long, rubbish handling. I often wonder just how much or how
little the DVLA actually have on things like engine numbers, remember the disastrous wankle powered car, some where on their 9th engine. Did the DVLA
have that on their records...
No so long as it's got a number and a receipt I'm sure they couldn't care less. Different if it was the chassis number.
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 12:09 PM |
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Just a final point on the DVLA. I don't know if your getting those ads on telly in your area, the one's with 'You can't hide
from the Computer!' or something. Well this is 2006, its taken this long to get a computer system that can just tell if your cars on or off the
road. What are the chances that they are going to be able to cross check engine and gearbox numbers not to mention the steering and suspension numbers
I got asked for when doing my buggy? I wouldn't be surprised at all if 'the computer' had a handle...
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Paul G
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 12:37 PM |
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My R1 engine had the number ground off and got through the SVA ad DVLA inspection fine - I did tell them about it beforehand and showed the receipt
for the engine though
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macnab
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 12:42 PM |
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hmm,
well thats that then, I'm just stamping on that new number...
What a relief.
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Bob C
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 01:42 PM |
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Quick point - no engine number doesn't necessarily mean foul play & it's been ground of - when I bought a brand new short engine (V8)
it had no engine number at all - never had one.
Bob
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DIY Si
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 04:23 PM |
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Also, many engine tuners/remanufacturers remove the number and replace it with one of there own, so it's more than possible to be missing it.
You don't need the engine number itself, what you do need is proof of the engines age, so the SVA man can test it to the correct emission
levels. Proof can sometimes be found on Ford headed note paper........ 
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mcerd1
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| posted on 4/12/06 at 04:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob C
Quick point - no engine number doesn't necessarily mean foul play & it's been ground of - when I bought a brand new short engine (V8)
it had no engine number at all - never had one.
Bob
Not forgetting that on some engine it may so rusty that you can't read it
(Its taken several hours work to get mine half readable)
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macnab
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| posted on 5/12/06 at 12:12 PM |
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why was I worrying...?
Ford headed note paper. Good idea.
Though the fact that it has a carb stuck on top I would have thought would kind of make them think.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 5/12/06 at 01:36 PM |
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essex was never made late enough to be an issue. If they are daft about it sort it out then, but you shouldn't have a problem.
As you say, just stamp the number on, as long as its not duplicate or dodgy its fine
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retro car restoration and tuning
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DarrenW
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| posted on 5/12/06 at 04:12 PM |
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I was led to believe an engine number is nothing more than a manufacturers serial number. ie its not a legally related number like a chassis / VIN. As
long as the engine doesnt appear on a Police wanted register etc i cant see there being a problem, as Nat says they wont be new enough for Cat tests
etc so most likely will be 3.5% at worst.
The lassy from DVLA who did my home inspection was all for leaving the engine number off the docs when i was getting mine thro DVLA, she said its not
a DVLA requirement. Im sure VOSA just checked it as it was mentioned on my Ford letter so they could be sure it was 3.5% limit.
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Duncan Mould
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 posted on 5/12/06 at 10:00 PM |
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I also have no engine number and did not realise you could register without one!
Still searching for a fireblade number may have a v5 doc for a cortina but with a v5 for a blade I could use the engine and box as the percentage
towards my build spotted one on Ebay
which means I could use the reg off the bike?
dont know what to do?
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