JonBowden
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 01:57 PM |
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Dutton Modifications
What is the situation regarding SVA if I restored an old kit car (say a Dutton) by giving it a new chassis (one rather like a Locost chassis)?
Jon
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iank
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 02:04 PM |
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Rules are here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486
But it seems to be in the process of being updated (or it's broken).
My understanding is:
If the chassis is identical, or at least very close in design and construction then you just MOT.
However if the chassis is different then you need an SVA.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 02:18 PM |
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To be perfectly honest you'd have to be a mug to tell anyone. Why put yourself through all the hassle of an SVA when the MOT guy probably has
never even seen one before far less knows what the chassis should look like. Find the chassis number and transfer it over to the new one. How many
folk have changed chassis on old landys and told the DVLA, none.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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JonBowden
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 02:35 PM |
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Ok, looking at the requirements for a radically rebuilt vehicle, I can gain the 8 points to avoid an SVA by keeping everything except the chassis (?)
Jon
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thunderace
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 02:41 PM |
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a guy sold a kitcar (regestered as a dutton)that was not a dutton on ebay hes now getting done for it
the doc reported him.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 02:55 PM |
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Hmmm This would seem to suggest that a new (ie different to the original Dutton) chassis would need an SVA. It's the same old same old,
you'd get away with it until someone tried to claim against your insurance. So many people have tried 'ringing' other kit cars with
a Dutton V5 I suspect insurance company assessors know exactly what a Dutton chassis looks like!
> Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the
same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or
engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval
(SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated. <
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JonBowden
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 03:13 PM |
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this is a quote from the section on radically altered vehicles
quote:
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or
modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle
single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be
allocated.
quote:
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
# chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
# suspension = 2 points
# axles = 2 points
# transmission = 2 points
# steering assembly = 2 points
# engine = 1 point
This implies that you can change both the chassis and engine whilst achieving 8 points.
You would of course have to notify the DVLA of the changes in chassis and engine no
Jon
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 03:26 PM |
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Yes, as long as the chassis is a direct replacement from Dutton.
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iank
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 03:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
To be perfectly honest you'd have to be a mug to tell anyone. Why put yourself through all the hassle of an SVA when the MOT guy probably has
never even seen one before far less knows what the chassis should look like. Find the chassis number and transfer it over to the new one. How many
folk have changed chassis on old landys and told the DVLA, none.
Changing the chassis isn't a problem so long as it's original spec. If you chop a Range Rover chassis down to 88" and put it under
your landy try really hard never to have an accident - that's when things get bad.
This is the important line for remaining legal.
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of
the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
[Edited on 26/2/08 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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bartonp
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 04:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JonBowden
this is a quote from the section on radically altered vehicles
quote:
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or
modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used, an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle
single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be
allocated.
quote:
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:
# chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
# suspension = 2 points
# axles = 2 points
# transmission = 2 points
# steering assembly = 2 points
# engine = 1 point
This implies that you can change both the chassis and engine whilst achieving 8 points.
You would of course have to notify the DVLA of the changes in chassis and engine no
this seems to relate to registering a vehicle. What if it's already registered??
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britishtrident
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 04:39 PM |
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Depends if it is registered as a Dutton - not a Ford or Triumph special.
Dutton owners club are a bit "single minded" about this kind of thing and have been known to cause problems if you try and sell it with
Dutton on the paperwork.
Personally I think any Dutton chassis that removed from the road is a good thing.
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Mr G
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 06:34 PM |
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Same old shite from you I see trident 
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 26/2/08 at 07:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JonBowden
Ok, looking at the requirements for a radically rebuilt vehicle, I can gain the 8 points to avoid an SVA by keeping everything except the chassis (?)
Doesnt that just entitle you to keep the original registration mark?? You still need an SVA though. There are plenty of single donor vehicles that
would qualify for the 8 points but still need an SVA (Robin Hood, Tiger Supercat etc)
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