tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:33 PM |
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IVA VS SVA Changes (Discussion)
DISCUSS!
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Humbug
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:36 PM |
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IVA is Spanish VAT, whereas SVA is a UK vehicle testing process 
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tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 05:44 PM |
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You have done your homework thats a fact!
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Fozzie
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:03 PM |
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Individual Vehicle Approval verses Single Vehicle Approval.....
Hmmm... well, AFAIK there is nothing officially agreed yet on the IVA, so nothing published, only supposition.
I take it from the first word of each, Individual and Single, (means the same), until VOSA actually publish something definite about it, it is
'business as usual'.....?
Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Fozzie
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:21 PM |
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Ta tks 
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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tks
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:38 PM |
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i placed the docs in my photo archive unther IVA
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:48 PM |
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doesn't work, can't download them.....
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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Fozzie
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 06:51 PM |
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Nope nor for me 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:20 PM |
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From what I've read elsewhere, the SVA will come to an end somewhere near end of April next year, IIRC, to coincide with the reg plate changes.
It will then be replaced with the IVA, which as far as anyone can tell so far is business as usual, but with various EU reg number in it rather than
"seat belts must be of an appropriate type" and so on. Oh, and you need a horn now too!
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t.j.
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:29 PM |
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I only worry about the exhaust and emission rules.
If the provide certificates and expensive testing it will become very very hard to get an approval.
But a third brake-light with e-marking ok.
More noise reduction ok.
A reverse ok.
And ABS will not! be the fact because a EG type approval does also not ask ABS
So please .... do not worry and scream untill we KNOW how the IVA will be
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:33 PM |
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Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it. The only other things I've heard about are for more official proof of
things like engine age, max power and at what revs etc. More closing loop holes that the test centres know about anyway rather than altering the test
fundamentally.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:50 PM |
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I'm sorry but what a load of scaremongering b*llocks these threads are!!!
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
I'm sorry but what a load of scaremongering b*llocks these threads are!!!
How so? All we've said is that you'll now need a horn! Which you'd fit anyway.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:43 PM |
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and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if
you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually
happens! 
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DIY Si
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:48 PM |
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Fair enough, but the plastic tank bit is incorrect. All they are trying to do is remove some of the areas where there is a high(er) risk of things
going wrong, so plastic tanks have to be E marked or similar, whilst ally tanks are still fine.
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iank
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if
you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually
happens!
Ah, you missed the document. It's not the EU directive we're reading.
Look in tks's photo archive and download the IVA docs. Convert jpg to doc.
The document is the draft bIVA from vosa.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Fozzie
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 09:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if
you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually
happens!
Ah, you missed the document. It's not the EU directive we're reading.
Look in tks's photo archive and download the IVA docs. Convert jpg to doc.
The document is the draft bIVA from vosa.
Well me pooter wont download those files, so I cannot change the extensions..... 
However I have spent ages looking on VOSA and cannot find anything that remotely refers to our type of cars!
If the title of one of tks documents is a clue....(M1-N1)...then that is for type approval.......turn key, (low volume) which does not include our
kits/kit conversions....as each one is 'bespoke' and 'different'.........however I am only guessing, and although I
SVA'd 4 years ago now, I would still like to know!
Has any one got the actual link? because until I see it on VOSA or the DfT I think the guessing games are pointless tbh.
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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iank
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 10:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
and a plastic fuel tank and a reverse gear..... and thats just so far AND all completely allegedly because no one ACTUALY knows anything at all! - if
you have a mind to you could come up will all sorts of scary ideas from that 140 odd page EU Directive PDF and none of them could be what actually
happens!
Ah, you missed the document. It's not the EU directive we're reading.
Look in tks's photo archive and download the IVA docs. Convert jpg to doc.
The document is the draft bIVA from vosa.
Well me pooter wont download those files, so I cannot change the extensions.....
However I have spent ages looking on VOSA and cannot find anything that remotely refers to our type of cars!
If the title of one of tks documents is a clue....(M1-N1)...then that is for type approval.......turn key, (low volume) which does not include our
kits/kit conversions....as each one is 'bespoke' and 'different'.........however I am only guessing, and although I
SVA'd 4 years ago now, I would still like to know!
Has any one got the actual link? because until I see it on VOSA or the DfT I think the guessing games are pointless tbh.
Fozzie
The files were sent to a member of the cobra club (see asn163's post
here).
You need to register to download from cobraclub, I've u2u'ed you a link where you can get the main document.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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iank
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 10:52 PM |
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Here is the doc file - just had a thought that it should be attachable
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Anonymous
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Fozzie
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 11:03 PM |
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Thanks Ian...
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Schrodinger
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 11:19 PM |
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I've just had a quick read through the document and it looks very similar to the SVA and although there is a reference to reverse gear I
can't see where it says that every car must have a reverse.
I can't see where there is much to worry about for our cars more of a worry would be for trailers and caravans by the looks of it.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by Schrodinger]
Keith
Aviemore
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Fozzie
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| posted on 2/3/08 at 12:05 AM |
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No I can see very little that has changed since the 2004 edition.... but again.....just a quick glance through, but nothing was glaringly obvious!
Yes 'our' cars do seem to fall in the M1 category...again I glanced quickly through the 'definitions', saw the picture of the
camper van next to M1, and thought our cars couldn't be included in the same category......seems I was wrong....
Anyway link for the 'definition of vehicles categories'
DfT linky
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 2/3/08 at 12:14 AM |
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quote:
Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it
Well think again mate. Every articulated trailer for years has HAD to have an abs system fitted. Likewise they don't necessarily need it to stop
either but it is a must
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 2/3/08 at 10:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
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Indeed, they can't ask for ABS since no car actually needs it
Well think again mate. Every articulated trailer for years has HAD to have an abs system fitted. Likewise they don't necessarily need it to stop
either but it is a must
Yes, BIG trailers have had to have ABS for some time, but the point is that passenger cars (M1) do not HAVE to have it, and until it's included
the the EU type-approval directives as compulsory it can't be included in IVA.
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tks
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| posted on 2/3/08 at 04:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Schrodinger
I've just had a quick read through the document and it looks very similar to the SVA and although there is a reference to reverse gear I
can't see where it says that every car must have a reverse.
I can't see where there is much to worry about for our cars more of a worry would be for trailers and caravans by the looks of it.
[Edited on 1/3/08 by Schrodinger]
've just had a quick read through the document and it looks very similar to the SVA and although there is a reference to reverse gear I
can't see where it says that every car must have a reverse.
Thats the language they use.. they refer that you your reverse and speedo need to be conform directive EC.... etc. if you search that one and open it
up it says that every car needs a reverse.
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