chrisg
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 05:57 PM |
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IVA - response from the department of transport
Hi Guys
Just had this email from the DoT re the reverse gear problem with the new IVA regs
"Chris,
No exemption is planned. I am aware that reverse gears are not fitted to these vehicles, we might be prepared to look at a request to exempt vehicles
below a certain weight. (e.g. where the driver could jump out and move the vehicle if stuck in a country lane).
I suggest that you respond to our consultation (see link in my signature), justifying the lack of reverse gear and proposing a suitable weight limit,
although I cannot promise that this will be accepted.
Regards,
Mike Lowe.
Senior Policy Advisor, Commercial Vehicles and Regulation
Transport Technology and Standards Division
UK Department for Transport"
So what's the average BEC weigh and can we all lobby for this?? it might be an idea to circulate this to other BEC forums too.
Link for consultation.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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indykid
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 06:01 PM |
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should it be the average BEC weight, or should it be what we all feel we could comfortably push? as you know, mine's pinto engined, but i could
push it most places.
i'd say 580kgs would be about right, and not being a round hundred suggests some proper thought went into it.........
tom
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afj
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 06:17 PM |
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all depends on what you mean push i push cars all day most people can push a LWB sprinter van of 2 tons but a slight incline ...no way. come to
think of it round here if the bin men cant move the wheely bin with 2 fingers they dont have to take your rubbish
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 06:24 PM |
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I'd say around 550 - 600kg would be a suitable figure myself - cant see many BEC's going over this figure myself (most without reverse are
around 450 - 500kg??). I have easily pushed my old Tiger 6 up onto a trailer and that was 670kg(!!) so 100kg less than this shouldnt be difficult
should it
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 06:47 PM |
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I think 500gks should be the weight, the weight that is suggested MUST be seen as reasonable by DoT and other pen pushing types, we all know that at a
squeeze we could probably move a 750kg car with ease - but there has to be a low limit or the exeption won't be granted as they will think of a
hill, in the snow, in the middle of the night and consider if could be done - they must put safety first becuase thats their job, I think sugesting
much more than 500kgs will be pushing our luck.
Can anyone reply with a suggested weight to that guy, or just you?
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chrisg
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 06:52 PM |
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Anyone can reply via the consultation form via the link in my first post.
Contributions from manufacturers (or others "in the trade" might carry more weight, but the consultation is open to everyone.
I suggest we get some sort of consensus before we wade in.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 07:00 PM |
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I suspect that this new regulation was aimed at BECs...
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chrisg
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 07:07 PM |
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I thought that too David, but I think there's a chink of light from
"we might be prepared to look at a request to exempt vehicles below a certain weight"
Worth a try I'd say.
cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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iank
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| posted on 3/7/08 at 08:16 PM |
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OK, I'll be radical and suggest a very low, but easy to defend weight of 400kg.
This is the legal max weight for quadricycles which only have to pass the MSVA and therefore can't be required to have a reverse gear -
therefore that weight must be acceptable for safety already under the rules of today.
While low I don't feel 400kg is unobtainable and will drive the manufacturers to produce lighter, and therefore, higher performance components.
MNR already get close to this IIRC with their higher end chassis and a careful build would see you through.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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t.j.
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| posted on 4/7/08 at 06:12 AM |
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As the directive 2002/24/EG includes the Quadricycles (L7e) you could go up to 550 kgs if the vehicle is for transporting goods.
This transporting goods is "relative" as a lot of Quadricycles have only a goods-rack on the rear.
But the can also say it is a M1 which needs a reverse. I'm sorry but IMO this is the best way, because it is not impossible and Europe says:
‘Alternative requirements’ means administrative provisions and
technical requirements which aim to ensure a level of road safety
and environmental protection, which is equivalent to the greatest
extent practicable to the level provided for by the provisions
of Annex IV or Annex XI, as appropriate.
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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eccsmk
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| posted on 4/7/08 at 07:03 AM |
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well im going to say 550 kg
if not people with heavier bec's will have to either sort a reverse gear or loose some weight
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/7/08 at 11:57 AM |
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Our car weighs a tad over 500kg and I can push it on a flat surface just by sticking my arm out and using my hand on the road. I'd suggest 550kg
as the limit, bearing in mind that the vehicle may need pushing up an incline.
Phil
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