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steve
ps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine
This is actually MY car and engine - pics were used with permission
[Edited on 6/1/05 by stephen_gusterson]
I have been toying with the idea of a locost for a while and now is the time. It seems that generally the trusty old ford 4 pot is the way to go
especialy for the money.
However I want more power (and noise) and I do like the idea of a V6. It occurs to me that there are a few 80's donors for no money with big
engines. Was thinking of a 2.8 capri, granada, or maybe a calton (if I can find a manual box). The later two have IRS. Has anyone else done this?. How
easy would it be to use the IRS? Is this kind of running gear too heavy? What ever the donor I want to as much of it as I can to stay in budget. Is
there any other suitable 80's sheds? Is this all a bit of a silly idea?
Thanks
quite a few people are using the ford v6. beware it might force a high bonnet line tho. Its also about 60 kilos heavier than a pinto, and you need to
get a box for the V6 with a longer input shaft. Many 2.8 / 2.9 v6 have auto boxes.....
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steve
ps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine
This is actually MY car and engine - pics were used with permission
[Edited on 6/1/05 by stephen_gusterson]
Carlton/Omega/Vectra v6 would be my choice over the Ford Essex. If staying Ford, the later Duratech V6 (as featured in the V6 Mondeos) would probably
be the best as it's quite a compact unit.
Thankfully all Ford bellhousings have similar bolt patterns so a Duratech should mount straight up to a Type 9 / MT 75 etc. - should just be a case of
matching bearings and clutches.
Stephen
I'm using the 60 deg Chevy 3.4L V6 eng. (same eng. the U.S. Stalker car uses; http://www.angelfire.com/biz6/stalkerv6) for the Pseudo7.
Although I don't have any firm engine dimensions yet, I've already designed a +3(width)+2(height) chassis to accommodate for the larger v6
(vs. inline 4).
The chev 60 deg V6 is available in the States in factory new hi-po 3.4L "crate" form (http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyV6s/207ciV6.html)
or "slightly used" from the junkyard as it came in a myrid of GM cars.
Weighing in at 350 lbs., w/a few simple bolt-ons (4 bbl carb, intake, header, etc.) it can provide 200+ hp w/more than 200 ft-lbs of torque...in
normally aspirated carbureted form! That's easy, flexible, power making a 1350 lb Pseudo7 very easy to drive (yes, the rear axle has a lsd!)
fast.
Given the price, weight, power potential, availability of donor motors and parts, the engine made a lot sense for my application. BTW, I'm using
a "World Class" T5 from a late model V6 Camaro/Firebird coupled w/an 8.8 '90 LX 5.0L Mustang rear axle for the rest of the
drivetrain...those parts are next to free here in the states.
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[Edited on 6/1/05 by Pseudo7]
As far as I'm aware the Carlton is a straight six, so you bonnet will need to end somewhere near the horizon
Why don't you use a Rover V8.
More - common, cheaper, tuneable
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Simon
being picky, its likely to be a later model 'cologne' from more current donors - ie not over 20 years old!
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steve
quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
Carlton/Omega/Vectra v6 would be my choice over the Ford Essex. If staying Ford, the later Duratech V6 (as featured in the V6 Mondeos) would probably be the best as it's quite a compact unit.
Thankfully all Ford bellhousings have similar bolt patterns so a Duratech should mount straight up to a Type 9 / MT 75 etc. - should just be a case of matching bearings and clutches.
Stephen
B280E from a volvo 760 , mated to a manual transmission , not much heavier than a pinto - oh , and with a single T4 turbo - 500 hp and 600 ft/lbs torque
I vote Duratec V6. Nice and light weight, relatively rev happy, Lovely noise.
Mounts straight up to an MT75 'box.
But note that not one single part is the same as the Duratec mazda engine, only the name.
Adam
duratec v6 is also same as jag v6 (different heads i think) and the new st220 mondeo 3ltr (bored out)
might i say ALFA
Hello please
Honda
But more seriously, if you want it easy, cheap, and in the UK, it has to be ford or vauxhall.
Liam
Hi Bubba, I went the V6 route, mainly because I had one. It does involve a great deal more work, primarily you need a wider, and deaper chassis, and even then you will have problems with getting the exhausts to clear everything. Have a look at my archive, it will give you some idea. If doing it again I would sell the V6, and use a 2Ltr 4 pot, with carbs, and standard everything.
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
B280E from a volvo 760 , mated to a manual transmission , not much heavier than a pinto - oh , and with a single T4 turbo - 500 hp and 600 ft/lbs torque
quote:
Originally posted by ned
duratec v6 is also same as jag v6 (different heads i think) and the new st220 mondeo 3ltr (bored out)
no its not that simple just pointing out the potential , a B280E has 170 hp and a good load of torque , problem is , they all came with auto , the only V6 manual was the 260 - which is becoming rarer . A PRV turbo would IMHO be really too scary .
If you want a challenge, then try the 6A13 MIVEC V6 from a Mitsubishi FTO.
You'll have to fab up all the bellhousings from scratch, but you'll get a 200hp 2.0l V6 with VTEC-like cam switching that revs to 8000rpm
day in, day out.
It's a compact little blighter too.
And when you get bored, you can just whip it out, and replace it (plug and play) with the 2.5L twin-turbo from the Galant. Say hello to 280hp+ - or
400 with a chip/ECU.
Sold you yet?
Mark.
Mark,
er, no.
Far to complicated. I like engines to be very simple (like my woman) Filter changes, oil change and balance carbs.
If it stops working, I won't need a degree in electrical (or mechanical for that matter)engineering to fix it. And, if it is terminal, it
ain't gonna cost a fortune to fix!
ATB
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Mark,
I like engines to be very simple (like my woman
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
B280E from a volvo 760 , mated to a manual transmission , not much heavier than a pinto - oh , and with a single T4 turbo - 500 hp and 600 ft/lbs torque
I vote Honda V6 too. its cheap at least, if not easy.
I found a 1990 'CAR' magazine the nother day, it had a prototype Honda NSX in it. i instantly recognised its sohc 24v honda V6 as the one in
my Rover 827 (except this one was bored out to 3 litres and about 250bhp).
quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Mark,
I like engines to be very simple (like my woman
thats a strange sounding woman!
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steve
with regards to B280E , the later engines were a lot better , When do you hear people comaplaing about peugeot V6 engines from the early 90s .
I do agree tho that an inline six is a much bette roption , and they are probably 10 or so V6 engines that you could use - just speaking from a
different perspective - Would you turn down an engine that in a venturi/alpine makes over 500 hp ?
quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
with regards to B280E , the later engines were a lot better , When do you hear people comaplaing about peugeot V6 engines from the early 90s .
I do agree tho that an inline six is a much bette roption , and they are probably 10 or so V6 engines that you could use - just speaking from a different perspective - Would you turn down an engine that in a venturi/alpine makes over 500 hp ?
yeah , only use a B280E , early B27/28 would be a disaster IMHO , the later 60 degree V6 from peugeot is alot better again , i digress , a cheap 760 V6 can be had , and apart from a dreadful auto box , the car will carry most everything for a Kit - if you were building a volvo one .