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Master Cylinders - Help!!!
Johnboyo - 2/4/11 at 08:15 PM

Hi Folks, This may seem like a strange question!

I am in the final stages of building a locost se7en and I am about to finish off the brakes. I am using what I presume is a Sierra master cylinder. However it has 3 "holes" to connect the brake pipes up to. I am usung a dual circuit system and am not usung a servo. How do I do this? Can I do this? Does one of the holes get blanked up?

Your help and comments would be appreciated.


Daddylonglegs - 2/4/11 at 08:23 PM

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I am also using the Sierra type M/C and have used 2 of the 3 for the front and rear brakes. The one on the end (at the front) I have fitted with a bleed nipple. I did that to help bleed the M/C when i filled the system.

Seemed to work fine for me.

HTH

John

BTW, it's not a strange question at all

[Edited on 2/4/11 by Daddylonglegs]


Hellfire - 2/4/11 at 08:23 PM

Welcome to the madhouse. Front two holes used for offside and nearside brakes. Rear used for back brakes with a tee-piece at the rear to split offside & nearside.

Phil


Ben_Copeland - 2/4/11 at 08:24 PM

3 Holes... 2 for the front, one for the back. OR 1 for the front, 1 for the back and one for the back light switch...

Do you need help connecting it up to the brake pedal as well?


Daddylonglegs - 2/4/11 at 08:25 PM

Oh bugger! Does that mean mine needs re-doing then Phil?


austin man - 2/4/11 at 08:28 PM

deffo 2 for the front one for the back the brake pressure switch can go in any line and as Phil Says the back splits via a T Piece. Fronts are on seperate circuits


adithorp - 2/4/11 at 08:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
Hi, welcome to the forum.

I am also using the Sierra type M/C and have used 2 of the 3 for the front and rear brakes. The one on the end (at the front) I have fitted with a bleed nipple. I did that to help bleed the M/C when i filled the system.

Seemed to work fine for me.

HTH

John

BTW, it's not a strange question at all

[Edited on 2/4/11 by Daddylonglegs]


That won't work mate!... if I understand correctly and you have both front and rear connected to one end of the cylinder. It's a tandem cylinder so if one circuit (front/rear) fails/ leaks then you still have some brakes via the other. How you have it if you get a leak you loose ALL brakes. You need the front connected to one end (using either 1 hole and a T joint or 2 holes) and the rear connected to the other end (agiin the 1 or 2 holes). If you just connect to 1 front and 1 rear hole then put a bleed nipple in the spare.


contaminated - 2/4/11 at 08:38 PM

On my old sierra setup I ran one port to the rear (via a T Piece) and one each to the fronts.

HTH

Dan


Johnboyo - 2/4/11 at 08:44 PM

Brilliant!!! It all becomes clear!!

Thanks for your help everyone, I shall let you know how I get on. An trying to get it ready for an autotest in 2 weeks time. Ithink I might be being a bit optimistic though!

BTW. Is there anywhere on the forum to upload photo's of your build?


avagolen - 2/4/11 at 08:49 PM

Photo Archive?????

Just have a wee gander at the top of the page

U2U | Member List | Search | Photo Archive | Chat | Links | Shop

seeeeeeemmmm's to be up there

Cheeky am I not !!!

Len.


Daddylonglegs - 2/4/11 at 09:03 PM

I have actually got the rear hole connected to the pipe off to the rear end then split via a 'T' for the rear brakes, then the middle hole connects off to a 'T' which splits off to left front and right front. The very front hole is the one I have fitted with a bleed nipple.

It's a relatively straight forward job to change so the left goes to one of the front holes and the right to the other, so I think I will do that tomorrow as it seems to be the correct way.

Thanks guys.


adithorp - 2/4/11 at 09:25 PM

It makes no practical difference whether you have the two sides connected to one master cyl' outlet (and the other blocked) and then split via a T peice, or seperatly to the two adjacent outlets. The only difference is 2 extra brake pipe connections at the T piece to leak if you get them wrong with it one way and another length of pipe to locate the other.


Daddylonglegs - 2/4/11 at 09:41 PM

So I assume then that the way I have it connected is OK?


adithorp - 2/4/11 at 09:45 PM

Apart from being a little confused by you saying "middle hole"... I think so. A picture would confirm.

It's just a packaging choice as to which way works best for for you with the choice of pipe runs in practical terms.


Johnboyo - 2/4/11 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
It makes no practical difference whether you have the two sides connected to one master cyl' outlet (and the other blocked) and then split via a T peice, or seperatly to the two adjacent outlets. The only difference is 2 extra brake pipe connections at the T piece to leak if you get them wrong with it one way and another length of pipe to locate the other.


Which would you reccommend is the best way? I have the system placed in such a way that i would only require to add a bleed nipple - but if I have to change to the 2 separate lines on the front it requires a bit more hassle.


[Edited on 2/4/11 by Johnboyo]