Is there a kind of clutch involved in a LSD?
If so ..
Do you have to adjust or slacken a clutch or anything?
Coming from a heavy car to a light weight seven?
cheers
I've been searching through haystacks for weeks now, and have finally found an TF LSD from a Capri.
The total cost including fitting is less than the cost of JUST a TranX/Quaife LSD (£850) but it is still a fairly significant amount of money.
When looking for one I had pretty much made my mind up that I wanted one... now that the opportunity has presented itself I'm teetering a bit due
to the numbers involved.
Will it really really be worth the money?
Whats the problem with your current setup?
A bit idle to go googling but..
Is there a kind of clutch involved in a LSD?
If so ..
Do you have to adjust or slacken a clutch or anything?
Coming from a heavy car to a light weight seven?
cheers
If it helps I fitted a Torsen slippy diff to the other car (hairdressers c. 980kg and knocking out c.200).
Worth it for the grin factor alone.
In the dry fire it out of a tight corner, it locks up and goes like a rocket.
Can be a bit tricky in the wet if it locks un-expectedly but you do tend to anticipate that after a few brown trouser episodes.
Providing it's mechanically OK I'd say go for it.
Cheers, Pewe10 
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Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
Whats the problem with your current setup?
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Originally posted by johnemms
A bit idle to go googling but..
Is there a kind of clutch involved in a LSD?
If so ..
Do you have to adjust or slacken a clutch or anything?
Coming from a heavy car to a light weight seven?
cheers
Does not being able to do donuts warrant spending £850?
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Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
Does not being able to do donuts warrant spending £850?
you can do donuts no problem without an LSD, drifting however.... that's a different story!
I think drifting is worth the money 
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Originally posted by pekwah1
you can do donuts no problem without an LSD, drifting however.... that's a different story!
I think drifting is worth the money
Would it be better to adjust the suspension so the front outside wasn't dropping so much as to cock the rear wheel?
Dunno? Not too up on suspension adjustments tbh. I adjusted them when at Elvington to reduce under-steer - which worked but at Blyton last week I was struggling to keep up with the 'diff'd cars' coming out of corners as I simply couldn't get the power down.
No, when you're moving you wont get a donut, but if you do it from standstill it should quite happily spin round in circles!
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Originally posted by daveb666
The LSD works in the same way regardless of the car; there is some setup involved when fitting into the axle but this is all taken care of by the installer at the time.
Not to tread on toes here, but Ben - Dave is looking for some excitement within his car…
He currently has an open diff, and having been passenger with him on the wettest track day I have ever encountered, where he was ultra committed, and
smooth and quick - I can imagine it being quite a boring drive, and not very 'thrilling', even mores in the dry.
As we're all like minded petrol heads, we strive for that adrenaline rush and speed - there is no point (imo of course) Dave spending more money
for more power, when he cannot use the power he currently has, as above - all that happens is that his inside wheel lights up - it requires no input
from the driver, you just keep your foot planted, no fun whatsoever (again, only imo)
Once he has an LSD fitted, he'll then have much more of an issue keeping it on the black stuff, as he won't be able to go 'all balls
out and if I break traction then it doesn't matter because only my inside wheel will spin which requires no driver input or activity'
Getting an LSD will transform the car completely imo, once you can use the power you have, THEN you add more… but until then, more power will just
make your inside wheel even more bald, and quicker, and still remain no quicker around the track...
Was just trying to save him a bit of money. Sheesh. If his front suspension was stiffened a bit it might not spin the rear so much. Although in the
wet it probably won't help
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Originally posted by yellowcab
Not to tread on toes here, but Ben - Dave is looking for some excitement within his car…
He currently has an open diff, and having been passenger with him on the wettest track day I have ever encountered, where he was ultra committed, and smooth and quick - I can imagine it being quite a boring drive, and not very 'thrilling', even mores in the dry.
As we're all like minded petrol heads, we strive for that adrenaline rush and speed - there is no point (imo of course) Dave spending more money for more power, when he cannot use the power he currently has, as above - all that happens is that his inside wheel lights up - it requires no input from the driver, you just keep your foot planted, no fun whatsoever (again, only imo)
Once he has an LSD fitted, he'll then have much more of an issue keeping it on the black stuff, as he won't be able to go 'all balls out and if I break traction then it doesn't matter because only my inside wheel will spin which requires no driver input or activity'
Getting an LSD will transform the car completely imo, once you can use the power you have, THEN you add more… but until then, more power will just make your inside wheel even more bald, and quicker, and still remain no quicker around the track...
You need an LSD for definite, what sort of power are you putting through it?
I'm running a 2.0 zetec on TBs; 168bhp / 150lb ft torque and the car weighs 520kg without me in it
The Capri LSD's are very rare, i would be inclined to make sure you can get bits for it.
We have a ZF in the Escort - it's the dogs back wheels, but was very expensive.
Is an ATB not an option? The 3J range is supposed to be decent too and made by the Trans-X crew before they were bought out by Quaife.
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Originally posted by Neb
The Capri LSD's are very rare, i would be inclined to make sure you can get bits for it.
We have a ZF in the Escort - it's the dogs back wheels, but was very expensive.
Is an ATB not an option? The 3J range is supposed to be decent too and made by the Trans-X crew before they were bought out by Quaife.
I know the Capri LSD is as rare as a virgin in Essex - 
Try this for Gripper - Also have a very good name now and widely used in rallying.
http://cbradleymotorsport.co.uk/transmission-drivetrain/axle/atlas/atlas-gripper-lsd-large-18-spline-side-gears.html
The Capri unit sounds like a go'er. I would. You won't regret it.
The Capri lsd in the atlas axle is a ZF diff, and works very well. That what's in my car. Parts are available from Fostek or Burton Power
Ian
I think it's probably time I need to get my hand in my pocket LOL
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Originally posted by daveb666
I think it's probably time I need to get my hand in my pocket LOL
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Originally posted by yellowcab
quote:Never ever been said by a Yorkshireman, ever.
Originally posted by daveb666
I think it's probably time I need to get my hand in my pocket LOL
I was gonna suggest getting an axle (105 Alfa gtv) standard with LSD and 108 pcd, that's what I've used, but as your already set up with
atlas and would need prop re making it probably isn't worth changing, but they are a good strong axle for around £350 with LSD, although you
would have to have an extra plate or two added to make the LSD work. That's what I've done and it good strong and cheap.
there's one on ebay, but too low geared at 4.5:1 and it may have the thinner 1600 half shafts also its £600. Not sure what the gripper diff is
?
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Hi Jacko,
appreciate the suggestion, but as you've already said. Swopping axles at this stage will not only mean the need for a prop change I will also
need to start looking at fabbing new mounts etc which isn't an option for me unfortunately.
I'm pretty much resigned to saving up the money to buy the LSD off the supplier I've already found - think I'll start taking the car
apart this weekend then I've no excuse for spending money on fuel !
Bit the bullet. The axle is out and at the gearbox place to have the LSD fitted. Gone for a refurbed zf plate diff.
Roll on next weekend!
Plate not ATB, get in boyo.
Great choice!