Board logo

clamp supplier
luke2152 - 6/2/15 at 06:15 PM

I've got a mk2 escort rack and need some kind of non standard clamp to attach it (or make a mounting adaptor to use standard clamps). I tried to use handlebar clamps that I got off a bike and they are pretty much perfect but slightly too small clamping diameter. And I bodged them a bit trying to open them up with a hand drill. I used them anyway but now I want to move the rack so I figure I'd rather do it properly. I don't even know what that style of clamp is called but I figure there must be an off the shelf industrial sort of clamp in the right diameter (about 28.5mm). Or I guess I could buy another set of bike bar clamps and get someone to drill them properly....anyway heres a pic so you know what I'm talking about


rusty nuts - 6/2/15 at 06:39 PM

What's stopping the rack from moving side to side? The way the rack is secured doesn't stop the rack from shifting whatever clamp is used. IMHO a redesign of the rack mounting would be a good idea ,, then you could use standard Escort rack clamps


britishtrident - 6/2/15 at 07:30 PM

Yes on the standard Escort setup the mounting at the pininion side takes the side thrust loads and transfers them to the chassis.


luke2152 - 6/2/15 at 07:40 PM

I'm pretty sure handlebar mounting is pretty safety critical on a bike so if its good enough for that its good enough to stop any sideways movement on the rack.


Brian R - 6/2/15 at 08:23 PM

Don't handlebars though have a knurled section in them adjacent to where the clamps fit? The clamps then bite into this to stop any movement.

I would worry they would move mounting them like you have both side to side and rotational.


daviep - 6/2/15 at 08:28 PM

If the clamps are a good fit I wouldn't be at all concerned.

28.5mm is almost exactly 1.125" which is a common handle bar size in the US, maybe try ebay.com or amazon.com

Cheers
Davie


watsonpj - 6/2/15 at 08:36 PM

The forces experienced by the handlebar clamps (rotational) is completely different from the axial loads directed down the centre of the rack. Ford put two clamps on the rack and built shoulders on one of them to stop movement so they obviously thought it was important.

Why cant you use the standard mount type?

Pete


daviep - 6/2/15 at 09:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by watsonpj
The forces experienced by the handlebar clamps (rotational) is completely different from the axial loads directed down the centre of the rack. Ford put two clamps on the rack and built shoulders on one of them to stop movement so they obviously thought it was important.

Why cant you use the standard mount type?

Pete


Ford also used some squishy rubber and a couple of pieces of pressed tin for clamps so the clamping force in the original setup is minimal hence the requirement for the locating shoulders.

A clamp of the type shown which fits the tube correctly will not slip.

Cheers
Davie


gavin174 - 6/2/15 at 09:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
I'm pretty sure handlebar mounting is pretty safety critical on a bike so if its good enough for that its good enough to stop any sideways movement on the rack.


safety critical on a bike is a stupid thing to say....

or are you only going to drive at 30mph...


luke2152 - 6/2/15 at 09:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gavin174
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
I'm pretty sure handlebar mounting is pretty safety critical on a bike so if its good enough for that its good enough to stop any sideways movement on the rack.


safety critical on a bike is a stupid thing to say....

or are you only going to drive at 30mph...

A motorbike


Andybarbet - 6/2/15 at 09:44 PM

What to gas recommend for the mounts ?

My brother in law is building a zero, if I can get hold of him I will ask him what he has done on his, it's a rolling chassis at the moment.


britishtrident - 6/2/15 at 09:49 PM

On Escort rack the pininion housing on the rack that is designed to resist side loads not the steel tube of the rack body.
The steel tube of the rack is only held to the pinion housing by an interference fit.
The compressive and tensile loads transmitted to rack from the track rods are not trivial, if the rack is located only by mountings on the tubular steel body the rack there is very little to prevent the pinion housing parting company from the rack if the passenger side track tranmits an excessive compressive load i.e. hitting a kerb or pot hole.


luke2152 - 6/2/15 at 09:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
What to gas recommend for the mounts ?

My brother in law is building a zero, if I can get hold of him I will ask him what he has done on his, it's a rolling chassis at the moment.


Mine has the track steering rack mounts and on the mx5 instead of sierra build its is unusual.


gavin174 - 6/2/15 at 10:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
quote:
Originally posted by gavin174
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
I'm pretty sure handlebar mounting is pretty safety critical on a bike so if its good enough for that its good enough to stop any sideways movement on the rack.


safety critical on a bike is a stupid thing to say....

or are you only going to drive at 30mph...


A motorbike


silly me your right..

a motorbike has the same weight/forces over the front wheel as a car.

good luck with your build.


daviep - 7/2/15 at 04:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
On Escort rack the pininion housing on the rack that is designed to resist side loads not the steel tube of the rack body.
The steel tube of the rack is only held to the pinion housing by an interference fit.
The compressive and tensile loads transmitted to rack from the track rods are not trivial, if the rack is located only by mountings on the tubular steel body the rack there is very little to prevent the pinion housing parting company from the rack if the passenger side track tranmits an excessive compressive load i.e. hitting a kerb or pot hole.


This is a fair point which I hadn't considered.

Cheers
Davie


rusty nuts - 7/2/15 at 08:00 AM

Every production car I have ever seen, and in 48 years in the motor trade I've seen a few, has had some form of positive location for the rack .