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up side down front hubs????
mk85 - 25/2/15 at 08:42 AM

I am right in thinking these are non the wrong sides upside down


mk85 - 25/2/15 at 08:43 AM


Doctor Derek Doctors - 25/2/15 at 09:15 AM

You are right. Has somebody done that on purpose?


mk85 - 25/2/15 at 09:57 AM

When I got the car it was a mess and am just now looking at the front suspension but I thought nooooo he can't of been that stupid


SCAR - 25/2/15 at 10:07 AM

I think its been done due to the position the steering rack is mounted in the chassis. Not sure what effect it could have on the wheel geometry, presumably they're meant to be this way and the wishbones are designed to try and correct any geometry changes. Does it handle ok?


Doctor Derek Doctors - 25/2/15 at 10:19 AM

If it was a mistake then that's a blinder, if it was deliberate then its even worse. If the upright is upside down you will have -4.5° of KPI (King Pin Inclination) between the upright and hub. This will cause the opposite of self centreing (self steering?) and no change wishbone geometry can correct this (its set by the angle between the hub spindle and upright).

Get them turned over (and swapped to the correct side)


Oddified - 25/2/15 at 11:39 AM

Might not be so much of a mistake...check the taper in the steering arm for the track rod end, if the hubs are on reverse the taper must have also been re-cut for the track rod end to go in from the other side. Otherwise the angle of the steering link would be huge with massive bump steer problems.

May well be how it was intended.

Ian


Doctor Derek Doctors - 25/2/15 at 12:37 PM

The track rod end is going in the correct way (as standard it comes up through) so the taper will not have needed to be re-cut. This is just so wrong though.

By the way Oddified, I went to Uni' in Preston and saw your car around the place a couple of times. As car nerds we always enjoyed seeing it.


Oddified - 25/2/15 at 01:30 PM

In that case, the car must have been designed (or intended at least, designed might be pushing it a bit!) to run them upside down. Flip them over/side to side and putting the track rods on from underneath would lead to massive bump steer issues without also moving the rack.

I've had my car for many years now, it always gets noticed!

Ian


Doctor Derek Doctors - 25/2/15 at 01:57 PM

I've been a bit slack at work so we have been looking at what would happen and the main problem is that due to the upside down KPI and standard castor angle your outside wheel will lift massively on turn in and the whole car will nose dive onto the completely unloaded outside front tyre which will have no grip and so you will likely some sort of accident.

Unless......... somebody was building a drift car. In which case it would be a crafty way to have front camber of 4.5° and maintain a flat contact patch on full opposite lock. I'm doubting this is the reason though!


britishtrident - 25/2/15 at 03:09 PM

The early F27 used upside down Cortina uprights mounted the wrong way up.

The Cortina was designed with a relatively low king pin inclination and castor angle built into the upright so this was just about OK provided the designer is prepared to accept a large amount of negative camber.

[Edited on 25/2/15 by britishtrident]


mk85 - 25/2/15 at 03:15 PM

The previous owner was an absolute idiot. I have cut and removed all of his work. These are just untouched since I got the car


adithorp - 25/2/15 at 03:53 PM

Very strange!

Minor issue given that cock-up but... is there no lock nut on the top joint/wishbone either?


scootz - 25/2/15 at 04:35 PM

Where are the pics being discussed?


tegwin - 25/2/15 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by mk85


scootz - 25/2/15 at 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by tegwin
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Originally posted by mk85




Bizarre... the post (including your quote) is blank for me. No pics.

But I can see the links when quoting your message... weird.

PS - thanks


scootz - 25/2/15 at 05:58 PM

And the pics are still not showing up (for me anyway) in the message I just posted above.


mark chandler - 25/2/15 at 06:24 PM

iPad here, cannot see any photo's or links


scootz - 25/2/15 at 06:53 PM

I'm on an iMac.


Oddified - 25/2/15 at 07:11 PM

Original pictures and quoted pictures all displayed here.....good old fashioned xp on a pc and chrome lol

Ian


dave_424 - 25/2/15 at 07:52 PM

all pics are there for me, chrome on macbook pro


Texan - 25/2/15 at 08:41 PM

All the posts and pics are visible to me too. Safari on a Mac.

Blast away, but isn't it the same thing whether you get "trail" before the axle line or behind? When it comes to self centering and stability I mean.

[Edited on 25/2/15 by Texan]