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sierra front caliper problem
smart51 - 26/2/06 at 07:05 PM

I went out in my car yesterday and after a few miles started to smell hot brakes. I pulled in at the next petrol station and sure enough, one of the brakes was scalding hot.

I looked at the caliper today. The wheel would turn but then when the brake was applied and released it beacame difficult to turn.

I have taken the caliper off and it looks OK but when I came to put it back on, the piston won't move back far enough to get the pads and disc back in.

What is wrong with my caliper?

How do I get the piston to move back in?

The rear caliper's pistons have notches in them so that you can turn them back in.


RazMan - 26/2/06 at 07:08 PM

Simply put - you have got a seized caliper

You might be able to refurb it with a kit from a motor factors (or maybe Ford) but more than likely the pistons will be scored and you are looking at a new caliper.


smart51 - 26/2/06 at 07:16 PM

It has only done 1400 miles since it was fitted. It had been stipped and painted when I bought it and I cleaned and reassembled it with new piston seals and dust seals. Is "sealed buy a new one" the only possible cause?

It works well enough in that I locked up that wheel on the way home so its not totaly nackered.

How do I get the piston out so that I can inspect it?


MkIndy7 - 26/2/06 at 07:29 PM

Sometimes the outer dust seal comes slightly loose if the groove it fits in wasn't cleaned properly or has got some paint in it.
Just pop the caliper all the way out, and you'll probably see the tinyest bit of rust thats causing it.

To get it out the easiest way is to take it off and disconect the brake pipe flexi, and then very very very! carefully using a foot pump, hold the air hose upto where the flexi came out of and pump gently, the piston should slowly come out.

Then give it a wipe with some brake cleaner or brasso etc and clean out the dust seal groove and pop it all back making sure the seal goes back on correctly.

I had exactly the same thing on my Fiesta a few months ago after refurbing and painting the calipers.

[Edited on 26/2/06 by MkIndy7]


britishtrident - 26/2/06 at 07:34 PM

First check it isn't a master cylinder problem -- yes in theory it shouldn't just effect one cylinder but that is theory ---- to check this put a nip clamp the flexy hose (you can only do this with proper brake hoses not braided types) open the nipple a turn and a half and try pushing the piston back.



The reasons why rear calipers have notches on the pistons is to turn back the mechanical self adjuster -- obviously front calips don't have a hand brake so no self adjuster required.


indykid - 26/2/06 at 07:34 PM

and just to be certain, there is free play on the push rod(s) for the master cylinder isn't there? if the mc piston can't return fully, it won't allow fluid to be pushed back.

seems to be a recurring theme of late. a quick search should bring up everything you could possibly need to know!

tom

beat me to it BT. do what BT says, he's not usually wrong.

[Edited on 26/2/06 by indykid]


britishtrident - 26/2/06 at 07:36 PM

Usual warning about dangers of using compressed air.


givemethebighammer - 26/2/06 at 09:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MkIndy7


To get it out the easiest way is to take it off and disconect the brake pipe flexi, and then very very very! carefully using a foot pump, hold the air hose upto where the flexi came out of and pump gently, the piston should slowly come out.

[Edited on 26/2/06 by MkIndy7]




Put a piece of wood on the caliper and keep your fingers out of the way. The piston may not come out very slowly, in fact quite the opposite. Worth wearing goggles too as brake fluid in the eyes won't do them much good. Also do it away from anything you don't want brake fluid on (i.e the tin top). Any fluid left in the caliper may spray out, it's only likely to be a small amount but enough to damage eyes and paintwork.


MkIndy7 - 26/2/06 at 10:14 PM

yup very wise words of warning, should have been a little bit more specific myself.

Its usually a crap seal and not a very good foot pump that we use to get them out!


smart51 - 26/2/06 at 10:20 PM

thanks guys. The outer dust seal had partly come out of the groove in the caliper. I took out and cleaned the piston. No rust other than watery rust from where the seal had come away. The brake fluid seal had protected the main part of the piston. I've put it all back together and it seems to work. The bleed screw had siezed and removing it has rounded the hexagon bit. A new one from Ford and I should be back on the road. thanks again.