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Replacement Master Cylinder
StevieB - 23/9/06 at 01:37 PM

Does anyone know if this would be suitable to fit into an MK Indy in place of the Sierra Master Cylinder:

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=562_582_607&products_id=4102

If not, does anybody know of any similar alternatives?

Many thanks

Steve


Hammerhead - 23/9/06 at 01:47 PM

looks like it would fit.

Mines off a caterham, try blatchat for ones removed due to upgrade to the ap cylinder.


BKLOCO - 23/9/06 at 01:49 PM

Can't see any reason why not except the price.
There was a trader in the tent at Donnington selling new suitable dual circuit M/Cs for about £20
Much more reasonable.
Don't ask me the traders name I don't know but someone else might.


motorcrossrider - 23/9/06 at 01:49 PM

Hello everyone. I was wondering if anybody has any diagrams or pictures of how they have fitted their wiring looms, fuse boxes etc. The wiring loom i have bought is from premier wiring. Any pics or info would be greatly appreciated.


motorcrossrider - 23/9/06 at 01:51 PM

Sorry my mistake for the lastb post


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 01:52 PM

The price is a bit much, but I don't really want to fit the sierra item as it's too big and heavy for a locost - kind of goes against the grain of the whole concept!

Something suitable for £20 sounds good as well though - you job for the day is to drop everything and focus purely on thinking of the name of that vendor!

[Edited on 23/9/06 by StevieB]


MikeRJ - 23/9/06 at 03:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by StevieB
The price is a bit much, but I don't really want to fit the sierra item as it's too big and heavy for a locost - kind of goes against the grain of the whole concept!


On the contrary, cheap/free is a big part of the locost ethos, the clue is in the name! Wouldn't have thought the Sierra MC would be that heavy by the time you remove the servo etc?


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 03:24 PM

I used the term locost as a general reference.

I'll change it to Lotus Seven Inspired Sportscar then ( )!

The sierra MC is massive and (along with everything else from the donor) is meant to be used in a car that weighs at least 3 times as much as a Lotus Seven Inspired Sportscar. It's much nicer to have parts that are just engineered enough to cope with the requirements in a Lotus Seven Inspired Sportscar.

[Edited on 23/9/06 by StevieB]


Peteff - 23/9/06 at 04:52 PM

You must have the servo still attached, there's not that much left when you remove it and it isn't actually that heavy. Undo the two M8 nuts that hold it to the big black round bit and make a new pushrod to connect to your pedal or spend the thick end of £80. There is a tubular master cylinder which is very much lighter if you look in the scrapyard.
It's much nicer to have parts that are just engineered enough to cope. The M/C is designed to work with the calipers and cylinders, not just for the weight of vehicle and if it will stop a Sierra it will have a healthy reserve for a Locost.

[Edited on 23/9/06 by Peteff]


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 05:03 PM

It's right down to the basic MC and still seems big and heavy.

My other thinking is that buying a new one will save me having to mess about with refurbing it myself (not afrais of getting my hands dirty, I just don't know trust myself to get braking system parts right!)


Danozeman - 23/9/06 at 05:43 PM

To buy a new sierra mc is no where near the price of that raldes one.

Theyr not that big compared to most others. If u get one off a scrapper u wont need to refurb, just give it a paint. If it doesnt work itl only cost u a fiver for another.


mark chandler - 23/9/06 at 05:55 PM

I,m using one off a landrover 90.

It has three outlets, two go forwards, one to the rear. Weighs hardly anything as it made from steel and has a nice big cap with warning lid.

Theres one on Ebay at present so you get a picture !

Cost £50 new.90 master cylinder


BKLOCO - 23/9/06 at 05:56 PM

If you do go the "locost" route try to get hold of a "cigar type" M/C they are much lighter and neater than the cast ones.
They were fitted to a vast number of vehicles, late Sierras being one of many.


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 06:07 PM

This is my Master Cylinder at present - it's not that big now that I've looked at it without cursing it for being from a Ford Sierra!

What would be the best way to clean it up (apart from the usual Gunk on the outside) - I've read loads about not getting the internals contaminated (but surely the fact that it's been in this state in MK's compound means it's too late for that?).

All help an comments greatly appreciated - I'm capable of most tasks, but usually terrified of starting them in case I cock it up (my brain cannot cope with failure!)


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 06:17 PM

Try again! Rescued attachment Master Cylinder - pre refurb.JPG
Rescued attachment Master Cylinder - pre refurb.JPG


BKLOCO - 23/9/06 at 06:21 PM

Personally I'de just smoothrite it.
Or that nice crackle finish paint.
It don't really matter... the first drop of fluid will remove any paint and it'll just go rusty again..


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 06:27 PM

What are these made of? I fancy trying the electrolosis thing - maybe on this?


BKLOCO - 23/9/06 at 06:42 PM

They're cast steel.
Electrolysis should work a treat.
De-grease it first.

[Edited on 23-9-06 by BKLOCO]


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 06:54 PM

With rregard to getting crud on the inside - I take it a thorough rinsing with running water and a clean toothbrush/pipecleaner should be enough?


Peteff - 23/9/06 at 07:03 PM

If it works don't do anything to the inside, just wire brush and paint the outside with the union holes plugged with bolts or bleed nipples.


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 07:09 PM

Then new pistons and seal etc (and maybe a new resevoir if I can't get it cleaned up).

The other thing I noticed is the angle of the resevoir - when the MC is mounted (horizontally), the resevoir is canted forwards. Is this an issue.

Cheers for all the answers as well guys - much appreciated.


RichardK - 23/9/06 at 07:31 PM

I asked about this the other day and the concensus of opinion was not to bother it'll be fine, true to form I'm gonna try and pop it off and spin round the resevoir so it's a bit more level, I'm such a rebel

Forget that idea, it's an optical illusion it makes a sh1ts worth of difference. I've just tried, however have just looked in the tiger book and all of the pictures in there have the resevoir on the wee so should be ok. The tiger book is never wrong is it!!!

Regards

Rich


[Edited on 23/9/06 by RichardK]


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 07:36 PM

In that case, wouldn't it be better to just buy a couple of very cheap resevoirs and stick them on?

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=562_1357&products_id=11803

Relatively cheap, anyway!


RichardK - 23/9/06 at 08:12 PM

Cheap that would only leave £223 for everything else

See ya

Rich


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 08:14 PM

Oh - you're going for the proper locost approach!

I'm torn betweent aht and the fact that I like everything to be new and shiney and engineered for the job it's getting used for.


RichardK - 23/9/06 at 08:20 PM

Where about in York are you Stevie? I live in Knaresborough but work in York, Ben Johnson 's, Clifton Moor are you far?

I'm just trying to get everything to look like a sack of sh1te, at least it'll all match

Cheers

Rich

Sorry for the thread hijack

[Edited on 23/9/06 by RichardK]


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 08:24 PM

Not far at all - just off shipton road, the estate with the new hospital at the entrance


RichardK - 23/9/06 at 08:31 PM

Think I know it, not far from the Doormouse pub


StevieB - 23/9/06 at 08:36 PM