Board logo

Making you wheels
goodguydrew - 13/2/07 at 02:01 PM

Do you think it would be possible to make a set of Lotus Corina wheels by welding the centre of std Mk1 escort wheels into the rim of a suitably wide FWD escort rim? (assuming the quality of the welding was up to it )


stevec - 13/2/07 at 02:33 PM

Are these any good?
Steve.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lotus-FF-Seven-Cortina-Steel-wheels-by-Dunlop-5-5-JX13_W0QQitemZ260084544666QQihZ016QQcategoryZ28648QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem


Humbug - 13/2/07 at 03:39 PM

I think it's illegal, regardless of how good you think the welding is


ned - 13/2/07 at 03:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
I think it's illegal, regardless of how good you think the welding is

Have you got a reference or is it just a hunch? Not being a pedant, just curious myself. That said I don't recall (and can't think of) any wheels that are welded, most alloys are cast, split rims are bolted and steel wheels are pressed (how ar the two halves joined though?), ally split rims are spun.

Ned.

[Edited on 13/2/07 by ned]


Peteff - 13/2/07 at 04:31 PM

There were some "banded" rims available for a short while in the 70s but they soon faded out as they were difficult to balance and were usually too leaky for tubeless use. I don't know if they were outlawed but they were not recommended for road use and I doubt your insurance would allow them as a modification.


02GF74 - 13/2/07 at 04:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
I think it's illegal, regardless of how good you think the welding is


hmmm...... I'm not sure it is. The Land Rover boys do this to adjust the offset. Also the LR series wheels were pressed steel innards welded onto a rim. Actually thnking about it, what about 8 spokes and I think my Ford wheels are welded.

Ok, these are welded at a factory.


The hard bit when DIYing is keeping it all centred.


RazMan - 13/2/07 at 04:47 PM

Yep, distortion when welding them up would mean they would probably wobble and be a bugger to balance.


jack trolley - 13/2/07 at 04:55 PM

Allan Stanisforth covers widening steel wheels in High Speed - Low Cost.
But that was written in Ye Olden Days when alloys where rare and expensive.


dave r - 13/2/07 at 05:40 PM

never seen a quality mark of anykind on a wheel ??
whats to say our manufacturing tecniques would be worse than a manufacturer??


wilkingj - 13/2/07 at 05:41 PM

I had a set of banded wheels on my 1965 Cortina GT (Boy Racer days - 30 years ago)

They were not very good... always a sod to ballance and had a shimmer on the steering that wanst there with my mates wheels on.
Its not worth it, as rims are not really that expensive.


donut - 13/2/07 at 05:49 PM

The rear wheels on this 100e are banded and the chap had them done professionally.


[img][/img]


arrybradbury - 13/2/07 at 06:19 PM

I remember reading somewhere ages ago about this and a guy had chopped the centres out, turned them around and rewelded for a deep-dish look on a mk2 escort. His comment was that it was better because he welded all the way around and the original wasn't......


Confused but excited. - 13/2/07 at 09:28 PM

Talk about coincidence. I was wondering about cutting out the centre, spokes and inner rim on some Capri Lasers to turn them around for a deep dish look, seeing as most custom alloy wheels have a machined inner welded into a rim.
I would appreciate any input from anyone with alloy wheel fabrication knowledge or in fact anyone with more knowledge that me, which leaves it open to everyone.

[Edited on 13/2/07 by Confused but excited.]


Stu16v - 13/2/07 at 11:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
Talk about coincidence. I was wondering about cutting out the centre, spokes and inner rim on some Capri Lasers to turn them around for a deep dish look, seeing as most custom alloy wheels have a machined inner welded into a rim.
I would appreciate any input from anyone with alloy wheel fabrication knowledge or in fact anyone with more knowledge that me, which leaves it open to everyone.

[Edited on 13/2/07 by Confused but excited.]


Alloys - different thing again! You might just get away with doing something like this if you had two sets of wheeels to go at.
IIRC, the rims will not go over the centres at room temperature. The centres are cooled, and the rims heated. Then, the whole lot is assembled. When everything has 'settled', the components are pretty much 'as one' before welding takes place...


goodguydrew - 13/2/07 at 11:46 PM

Thanks guys,
the wheels on that 100e are lovely.

Does anyone have the odd Lotus Corina wheel lying about? Perhaps I could piece together a full set. Any condition considered.


Confused but excited. - 27/2/07 at 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Stu16v
quote:

Alloys - different thing again! You might just get away with doing something like this if you had two sets of wheeels to go at.
IIRC, the rims will not go over the centres at room temperature. The centres are cooled, and the rims heated. Then, the whole lot is assembled. When everything has 'settled', the components are pretty much 'as one' before welding takes place...


I was just thinking of cutting the rim off the centre with a fine blade, inverting the centre and getting it tig welding up again. All suitably jigged up of course.

[Edited on 27/2/07 by Confused but excited.]


oadamo - 28/2/07 at 12:33 AM

thats sort of what ive done i got 4 15in steel rims cut the middles out on a lathe then spilt the outer bit that the tyre gos on put a 3in band all the way round and had some new centres laser cut like the old style 5 spoke mag wheels then bent them to give a dish look and welded them in it took the guy about 30mins to balance each one but he done them so hopefully there alright i tig welded the band and centre in then lathed them so you cant tell there welded iam gonna mod the hub cuz i didnt have a hole cut in the middle. so they fit flush so theres no hole in the middle like you see on most wheels now iam gonna get them powder coated black next then try them. then ill tell you if they drop apart lol
adam