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Bicycles made in Britain?
matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 09:02 PM

Hi there,

I need a new bike for commuting and I'd like to try to buy british but can't afford a properly expensive (i.e. 4 figures) bike.

Most of the components are made abroad (unavoidable), but there must be some opportunity for UK engineering effort.

In terms of spec, either fixed or alfine hub gear, and ideally disk brakes (cause I haven't had them before), straight handlebars and no suspension. I don't want to get a Brompton because I want proper wheels. I accept I might get a slightly low spec for the money, but I can feel supercilious which will make up for it.

Any thoughts on bikes that have a higher than average UK content or at least UK owned?

Closest I can get is Pace 4216 (which does look very pretty)

Matt


daniel mason - 19/1/13 at 09:20 PM

not overly good with bikes,but are the chris boardman range not uk made?


tul214 - 19/1/13 at 09:26 PM

Cotic?


matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 09:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
not overly good with bikes,but are the chris boardman range not uk made?


Manufactured in Taiwan


gazza285 - 19/1/13 at 09:32 PM

Paul Milnes.
On-one.
Charge.
Dawes.
Claud Butler.
Ellis Briggs.
Pashley.
Ridgeback.

Amongst others, although as you say, not many do much in the way of UK production.


tul214 - 19/1/13 at 09:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Paul Milnes.
On-one.
Charge.
Dawes.
Claud Butler.
Ellis Briggs.
Pashley.
Ridgeback.

Amongst others, although as you say, not many do much in the way of UK production.



Aren't Orange built somewhere near you too?


jossey - 19/1/13 at 09:38 PM

Pashley?

Woodrup cycles?


me! - 19/1/13 at 09:44 PM

Best I could manage, I'm sure you could throw some flat bars on if you wanted to!

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/day-one/day-one-disc


matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 09:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jossey
Pashley?

Woodrup cycles?


Pashley are a bit too "last of the summer wine"

Woodrup make lovely bikes and definitely make their own frames, but more than £2k for a bike is too much.


I think these are more british than many though.



Matt


matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 09:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Paul Milnes.
On-one.
Charge.
Dawes.
Claud Butler.
Ellis Briggs.
Pashley.
Ridgeback.

Amongst others, although as you say, not many do much in the way of UK production.


good list, and Genesis and Orange look interesting too.

I will have to do some research. I guess the best I can aim for is UK made tubing (Reynolds) that is fixed together in the UK and then assembled here too.
This does seem to come with a substantial premium, but much of that will be UK taxes paying for stuff I need so its just an investment of sorts.

Matt


matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 10:05 PM

thanks for your help with this.

Matt


morcus - 19/1/13 at 10:22 PM

Easiest way would be to get an old bike.

Get yourself a Norman, They even named a street in honour of the Factory.


ianclark1275 - 19/1/13 at 10:45 PM

im sure claud butler are totally made in north linconshire

ive had them for years...

IC


Andybarbet - 19/1/13 at 11:02 PM

Interesting thread

I've been cycling to work since October, im now thinking of getting a proper bike, mine is a cheap cheap piece of rubbish but hey, it was given to me & has done ok so far but showing signs of imminent failure !

I will be selling my Vespa in the spring & putting some of the money towards a new commuter bike, I have been looking on pauls cycles website at last years models but wouldnt have a clue what ones (if any ?) are made here on british soil ??

My budget is going to be around £450 so not in the big league this year but I too would like disc brakes because this winter, the old school rubber brake pads have had me worried a couple of times


matt_gsxr - 19/1/13 at 11:22 PM

Re: Norman. Can't be bothered with fixing a bike up as it is a commute bike so won't get any love.

Plan is to buy a new one, run it for about 15000miles which is 5 years (replacing tyres, brake pads, chains/rear-sprocket) after which time I can get a new one again. Last time around it was a Specialized Langster (2007), but that is failing (knackered Bottom Bracket, grinding from rear wheel, and I've neglected the tyres, brakes, drivetrain a bit too much) to that needs moving on.

Bikes are like cars, very expensive to build from bits. I save loads over driving to work, so don't mind buying new.

Matt

p.s. Cotic sounds promising, at least they design the frame and put the components together onto it.

p.p.s. From what I can gather Claud Bulter are owned by Falcon who in turn are part of the Tandem Group Plc. according to their investor presentation they ceased production of bicycles in 2006 and manufacturer "Manufacturing outsourced to Far East and Europe".


Blackbird Rush - 19/1/13 at 11:24 PM

Hi Matt

I have 2 uk built bikes, an orange mountain bike and a Dawes road bike an i'm very pleased with both.

Both were bought 2nd hand from eBay at good prices , the orange was just the frame (old o2 hardtail) and swapped over the running gear from my old bike and the Dawes was a giro 500 complete bike (changed the bars to triathlon aeros now)

One thing we can still make in the uk is good bikes!

Ash


Davey D - 20/1/13 at 01:30 AM

I had a Dawes hard tail MTB for a few years, and it served me well. I only sold it because I bought a norco (canadian) full suspension bike.

As mentioned above, the Claud butler/falcon cycles factory is in Brigg, in North Lincs


trextr7monkey - 20/1/13 at 09:09 AM

Dave yates brilliant frame builder was involved with joe waugh years ago, now doing his own thoing. I'm no cycle buff but my lad poicked up a waugh and it was a fantastic bike until he out grew it.
Hth
Mike


matt_gsxr - 20/1/13 at 10:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Davey D
I had a Dawes hard tail MTB for a few years, and it served me well. I only sold it because I bought a norco (canadian) full suspension bike.

As mentioned above, the Claud butler/falcon cycles factory is in Brigg, in North Lincs


Sadly, Claud Butler/Falcon/Dawes/elswich/British Eagle, are all owned by Tandem, and no longer produced in the UK. Details from their report indicate that since 2006 all bikes have been imported complete (link above). There may be some design work in the UK, and other business activities, but not really what I was hoping for.

I also found this on a forum:
"I did some work in the Falcoln cycles/claude butler factory in Brigg a couple of years ago. As far as I know both brands are still produced in Cambodia and the factory in brigg is purely an import facility now."

Orange do have UK credentials, but I don't want a mountain bike.


Matt


johnny chimpo - 20/1/13 at 11:09 AM

Check out state bicycles.

A guy I work with bought a fiixie from them and its absolutely cracking! He's also said the customer service was one of the best companies he's ever dealt with.

Here's a pic of the bike he bought....




[Edited on 20/1/13 by johnny chimpo]


jossey - 20/1/13 at 11:31 AM

I used to race bikes n kona n orange are my favourite orange for people shorter and kona do longer frames so better for me as I'm 6ft 3.

Shame they ain't British.

I would only now buy kona :-) long frame and I broke one and they took it away n built me a nee one with the old parts n up new parts on the bis they couldn't re use :-)


matt_gsxr - 21/1/13 at 10:12 AM

Pashley are the closest to production in the UK, they make their frames and stuff.
Prices are high, but not mental like the custom built stuff. They are not a slave to fashion.
If you want a small wheel bike the Brompton and probably Moulton.

The test of whether its made here is that if it is then they will show a factory tour on their website. If they don't then most likely the frames are made elsewhere, and maybe the whole bike is made elsewhere.


adithorp - 21/1/13 at 11:14 AM

Sadly, you're pretty much more likely to find a chocolate tea pot than a mass produced british bike.

There's stilla few frame builders (Bob Jackson-Leeds, ChasRoberts-London, BrianRourke-Stoke) that'll build you a bespoke frame but that'll cost. Just about everything else come in from the far east.

For your spec (apart from the UK bit) THIS Kona looks OK. Evans site is pretty good for browsing different models. The current Langster is in there long with other fixed bikes (but all drop bars and no disc brakes apart from the very nice/expensive BMC).

Do the Uni'opereate the "Bike to Work" scheme? Worth looking into, as it basically gets the the bike tax free so saves about 25% (payment made from salary before tax/NI)


iank - 21/1/13 at 01:32 PM

Probably not what you want but British designed and made.
http://www.moultonbicycles.co.uk/
http://www.brompton.co.uk/


adithorp - 21/1/13 at 01:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by iank
Probably not what you want but British designed and made.
http://www.moultonbicycles.co.uk/
http://www.brompton.co.uk/


"...I don't want to get a Brompton because I want proper wheels..." Matt

This in the first post kind of rules them out.


jps - 21/1/13 at 04:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
Hi there,

I need a new bike for commuting and I'd like to try to buy british but can't afford a properly expensive (i.e. 4 figures) bike.

Most of the components are made abroad (unavoidable), but there must be some opportunity for UK engineering effort.

In terms of spec, either fixed or alfine hub gear, and ideally disk brakes (cause I haven't had them before), straight handlebars and no suspension. I don't want to get a Brompton because I want proper wheels. I accept I might get a slightly low spec for the money, but I can feel supercilious which will make up for it.

Any thoughts on bikes that have a higher than average UK content or at least UK owned?

Closest I can get is Pace 4216 (which does look very pretty)

Matt


As above - components are largely going to be from the Far East - although keeping it car related if you have a Campagnolo groupset you are buying Italian and from the same company that made wheels for top end sports cars in the 50s-70s.

Bob Jackson and Brian Rourke would be my suggestions for British made frames, no idea if you could get on on your budget though.

Wouldn't bother with disc brakes - heavier than rim brakes - and the only people more obsessed with weight saving that sports car builders are cyclists...

For commuting i'd be looking for a frame you can fit proper mudguards to as a priority! Country of origin would have to come after that - no-one likes getting into cold, wet clothes for the ride home at the end of the day...!


swanny - 21/1/13 at 04:34 PM

Do the Uni'opereate the "Bike to Work" scheme? Worth looking into, as it basically gets the the bike tax free so saves about 25% (payment made from salary before tax/NI)




i would jave thought so, just bought mine through my Uni B2W scheme. a good chunk off the price of my new specialized

paul


matt_gsxr - 21/1/13 at 11:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by swanny
Do the Uni'opereate the "Bike to Work" scheme? Worth looking into, as it basically gets the the bike tax free so saves about 25% (payment made from salary before tax/NI)


i would jave thought so, just bought mine through my Uni B2W scheme. a good chunk off the price of my new specialized

paul


Unfortunately, Oxford no longer do the bike to work scheme.
I still don't know why they stopped doing as everyone cycles to work, I suspect the person in accounts who has to organise this doesn't have a bike.

Thanks for those thoughts and ideas,

Matt


emwmarine - 22/1/13 at 07:46 AM

Unfortunately as others have said, all (i'm pretty sure) the mass produced frames are made in the East. The only British built bikes are the specialist frame builder bikes. You could add Dolan to that list above as well.

A it sounds like you just want a commuter bike just go with the flow.

If you want an EU made bike then there are quite a few companies who still make everything in the EU. Orbea for example are Basque based (they prefer that to being called Spanish!) and make their bikes including frames. Of course the groupset will be Japanese or you could choose Italian Campag. Very good bikes they have a team in the tdf.

However I paid as much for my Orbea as I did my car so it might be more than you want to spend.




coyoteboy - 22/1/13 at 08:29 AM

I don't think orange are UK are they?


adithorp - 22/1/13 at 09:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jps

Wouldn't bother with disc brakes - heavier than rim brakes - and the only people more obsessed with weight saving that sports car builders are cyclists...

For commuting i'd be looking for a frame you can fit proper mudguards to as a priority! Country of origin would have to come after that - no-one likes getting into cold, wet clothes for the ride home at the end of the day...!


On a commuting bike discs have there avantages though. In shitty weather the bike stays cleaner without the much from the ally rim and brake blocks (nice when you have a puncture) and your wheels last longer without all the wear on the rims.

'Guards are important though.

Matt, they probably dropped the Bike2work as they have to fund the bike upfront and then you pay it back in installments. That could add up to a big outlay of funds.


Theshed - 22/1/13 at 09:42 AM

How about this guaranteed made in britain approach....


http://www.framebuilding.com/index.htm


I have a pile of 1" chrome moly tubing and am sorely tempted to make myself a frame - brazed bottom bracket looks a doddle


jps - 22/1/13 at 10:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
How about this guaranteed made in britain approach....


http://www.framebuilding.com/index.htm


I have a pile of 1" chrome moly tubing and am sorely tempted to make myself a frame - brazed bottom bracket looks a doddle


Precision in frame alignment is VERY important - no 'winding out the top joint' to line everything up


Mr Whippy - 22/1/13 at 12:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
How about this guaranteed made in britain approach....


http://www.framebuilding.com/index.htm


I have a pile of 1" chrome moly tubing and am sorely tempted to make myself a frame - brazed bottom bracket looks a doddle



WOW now that is an interesting company, maybe I could build a recubent bike with their stuff, cheers