franky
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 03:59 PM |
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Is 17kg for a wheel and tyre heavy? +putting power down..
Just out of interest I weighed the 17" forged m3 wheels i've got, with the tyre on they're 17kg. these are the staggered wheel
set.
How does that compare to 15/16" wheels, I can't go smaller as my brakes are 286mm.
I was/am going to use the bmw wheels to save cost and I like the look of them
With all this talk of not being able to put the power down and power to weight ratio's got me thinking... being honest I think with the 6pot m3
lump/roll cage i'll be looking at a <700kg's and 305bhp crank est/275bhp measured at the wheels.
Am I right in thinking the bigger contact patch will help me get the power to the road? Smaller wheels will just help with the last few tenths on
track?
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:01 PM |
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nah mate, those wheels will slow the car down to a crawl  
Craig
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:05 PM |
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m3's are notoriously slow
they'll be fine
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hobbsy
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:07 PM |
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That quite good for a 17" wheel and tyre I think.
It all depends on the make and construction but a lot of 15" tyres are the best part of 10Kg and at 15" a light wheel is approx 5Kg so put
that together and its not far off what you've quoted.
That said more of the weight is further from the centre on a larger wheel - so even at the same overall weight there is still a slight
disadvantage.
You might get 286mm brakes under 15's as 15" = 381 OD - surely the ID is larger than 286mm?
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:09 PM |
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13 inch 205/60 section R888s are 8.7kg.
17s on the other hand are 10.2kg (215/45)
The lightest 13 inch wheels going are between 4 and 5 kg so youre a few kg up on the basic minimum of about 13kg but not toooo bad.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:14 PM |
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the rears I've got for the dax are 19.9kg each
thats for 245/45 R16 on a 9" wide rim (toyo T1R + borbet rim)
888's are a fair bit lighter I think (but I thet are track tyres not road ones)
[Edited on 2/3/10 by mcerd1]
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franky
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 04:59 PM |
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What do most CEC with a cage tend to weigh in at then?
The ONLY problem with using the bmw gear is that its slightly heavier due to it being "over-engineered". However I could do with loosing
a few stone anyway!
Edit....
Just had a re-weigh 235/40/17 fronts 18.2kg 245/40/17 rears 20kg.
center of the hub to top of the caliper is 173mm so 346mm of space needed.
[Edited on 2/3/10 by franky]
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JonnyS
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 06:53 PM |
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Normal road tyre on standardish 15" wheels are 16-17kg whenever I've measured them. 13" team dynamics with slicks are 10kg 
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smart51
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 07:37 PM |
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My boggo 15" with 195/50s were about 16kg from memory. A little more than half of that was the rim. OZ superleggera rims are about 3kg lighter
each and so are "normal" 13" alloys. Light weight 13s are lighter still. I'd say your 17kg for 17s isn't bad but
lighter is better. The best place to save weight on a car is the wheels. If I were building again, this is where I'd spend my money.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/3/10 at 09:28 PM |
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15" cxr's and R888's weigh about 18Kg.
This tyre is slightly heavier than most due to a thicker sidewall.
Steve
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franky
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| posted on 3/3/10 at 09:39 AM |
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so basically i've got nothing to worry about
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dlatch
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| posted on 3/3/10 at 05:50 PM |
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my new 13" trackday wheels with 185/60 tyres are only 12kg
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franky
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| posted on 3/3/10 at 06:37 PM |
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i couldn't go to 13" as my brakes are just about that big. it'd have to be 15 or 16 inch but its not worth the cost to me.
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