Tuscan
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| posted on 22/10/06 at 11:08 AM |
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Cosworth rear brakes?
Hi, are the cosworth rear brakes, from a Sapphire, the same as Granada, i want the callipers and vented discs, are they standard vented, or
aftermarket, is there two types of calliper? i know i will get the right answer here, regards Alan
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 22/10/06 at 12:35 PM |
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Sierra = 4 stud
Granada = 5 stud
Std Granada rears are solid discs.
Delphi no's
Sierra
86 - 93 ... BG2537 solid 10.3mm LP557
90 - 93 ... BG2758 vent. 20mm LP557/LP868
pads different for 92 - 93 vented LP868
All are 273 diameter
Granada (ecept 24v cos)
BG2332 solid 10.4mm
BG3585 vent. 20mm
pads same refernce numbers as above
Pads fitting kits the same sierra & Granada (exc 24v cos) LX0221
Calipers will vary according to discs fitted.
Hope this helps.
[Edited on 22/10/06 by jollygreengiant]
[Edited on 22/10/06 by jollygreengiant]
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Tuscan
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| posted on 22/10/06 at 03:28 PM |
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Great, are the carriers and bearings the same in the hub for vented or solid? whats Dephis, regards Alan.
[Edited on 22/10/06 by Tuscan]
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 22/10/06 at 04:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Tuscan
Great, are the carriers and bearings the same in the hub for vented or solid? whats Dephis, regards Alan.
[Edited on 22/10/06 by Tuscan]
Caliper carriers are possibly going to be different between solid & vented. Hubs & bearings MIGHT be the same. Check with bearing
manufacturers reference, if same part no for bearings then hubs probably the same. Granada Bearings are bigger than sierra (Fronts DEFINATELY NOT
interchangable, I tried that), but not sure about rear hubs as I am using granada 2.0i pinto Granada as donor. Hence I shall have 5 stud rear wheels
and 4 stud front.
Should look OK when done.
Delhpi is the current trade name for Lockheed brake discs & pads.
OH and I beleive that late scorpio uses 4 stud BUT I think pcd different. Mondeo 5 stud is definately different.
[Edited on 22/10/06 by jollygreengiant]
[Edited on 22/10/06 by jollygreengiant]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 23/10/06 at 10:24 AM |
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heh heh lol lots of things here.
Scorpio VENTED rear disc setup is interchangeable with sierra sapphire cosworth 2wd rear vented setup apart from hub flanges, which are 5 stud on the
scorp up until facelift (froggy one) when they went to std ford 4 stud same as the sierra. The hub flange etc are all interchangeable between
everything apart from the stud arrangement.
late froggy scorpio hubs take same bearings as sierra 4x4 etc, all take the same part even though the numbers are different, its because the locknuts
are not the same but you can reuse them with loctite. I have personally fitted XR4x4 rear bearings to late frogeye scorpio 24v hub carriers.
All the rear hub carriers are the same (sierra, granada, scorp etc) apart from the brake caliper ear location, which is either "solid disc
position" or "vented disc position", so vented or solid are interchangeable in terms of bearings flanges etc but you need the right
discs and calipers to suit the "vented" or "solid" setup.
don't get too tied up with bearing kit part numbers as long as you have your hub locknuts still, as the bearings are basically all the same on
the rear, the locknuts are not though!
hope this helps
[Edited on 23/10/06 by NS Dev]
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Tuscan
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| posted on 23/10/06 at 12:58 PM |
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Hi, i was told that the bearings for the cosworth vented were wider to allow for the thicker disc, by a supplier, you are saying its the mounting
bracket? that would suit me better, regards Alan
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NS Dev
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| posted on 23/10/06 at 01:40 PM |
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I fitted sierra XR4x4 bearings to a scorpio 24valve rear hub with no problem, and I am 99.99% sure (but would like a second opinion! ) that scorpio
24v brakes are the same as 2wd sapphire cossie ones.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 23/10/06 at 01:51 PM |
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right, just cross ref checked the parts, made1 mistake in what I said, its the 4x4 cossie that used vented discs, i thought it was the 2wd.
Calipers, hub carriers and bearings interchange between sierra cosworth 4x4 with vented discs and scorpio 24v (even early granada one)
The later scorpio will also interchange discs as they are 4 stud and hub flanges for the same reason.
The bearings are the same on the lot as far as I can determine, certainly as I said, I had a problem with an exploding rear wheel bearing on my scorp
24v (frogeye one) and replaced the bearings with XR4x4 ones as I already had them and they fitted just fine. The hub flange also got wrecked in the
bargain and also swapped directly over with an XR4x4 one.
The only difference in hub carriers is to allow for disc diameter, 253 mm solid discs on the smaller models and 273mm on the scorp 24v, scorp v6
estates and sierra 4x4 cossie.
The 2wd cossie used different, bigger dia solid discs, I was wrong on that one having checked!
[Edited on 23/10/06 by NS Dev]
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Tuscan
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| posted on 23/10/06 at 04:27 PM |
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Fantastic, i am building a Gt40 replica, it uses granada mk 2 disc brakes on the front and drums on the rear, so i am going to fit discs on the back,
has anybody got pics of what the bearing carriers, and caliper mounting brks, look like please, any help appreciated
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NS Dev
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| posted on 24/10/06 at 07:08 AM |
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ahhh, right, is that MK2 granada drums on the rear then?.................
if so, life is more complicated as these don't swap over with later granny/scorp bits!
I'm afraid I am out of knowledge at that point!!! I had a Mk2 a while back but never took the rear hubs/brakes apart so have no idea what parts
will swap over!
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Tuscan
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| posted on 24/10/06 at 08:58 AM |
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Hi, yes i think they are mk 2 granny, can i change the hub carrier and bearings for a cosworth one? also the calliper mounting bracket then, i can fit
cosy callipers? regards Alan.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 24/10/06 at 11:40 AM |
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That's where I just don't know! Not sure if the later granada hub carriers fit the early granada mountings!! doh!!
The caliper mounting is part of the hub carrier on the mk3 granada onwards (and sierra etc, as in previous posts )
I "think" the mk2 granada used a totally different setup, I seem to remember the rear arms looking totally different to mk3 granny/sierra
items.....
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NS Dev
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| posted on 24/10/06 at 11:45 AM |
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will have a look in my mk2 granny haynes manual tonight
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Tuscan
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| posted on 24/10/06 at 01:11 PM |
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Hi, just seen some pics of the uprights, the mountings for the callipers are seperate, they just bolt on to the hub carrier which bolts to the
upright, regards Alan
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