MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 07:20 AM |
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Starter Motors - ARRRGGGHHHHH
Do you want to know how pissed off I am ...... 4 years, 4 fecking years I've been building my car and at 7pm yesterday I discover my starter
motor won't engage with my fecking flywheel!
So, what starter motor do I need to turn a caterham lightened supersprint flywheel - and where the fecking hell can i get one (at a locost price)
feck 
even had a full jury rigged cooling system
even cleaned the 1/2 inch bits of metal and bolt out of the sump! (Don't ask I'm ignoring that bit)
even made two temporary gaskets out of an old frozen pizza box
feck
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James
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 08:52 AM |
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Can't help you with the starter- but good luck sorting it out!
Mine's been over 2 years now and I know how you feel! Thought I'd be ready to fire up the engine myself this weekend- now I've
discovered new carb won't fit the inlet manifold!
Aaaaaagh!
Atb,
James
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 11:56 AM |
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and now my life is complete - i've even posted this in the wrong section!!!!!
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 11:56 AM |
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and now my life is complete - i've even posted this in the wrong section!!!!!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 12:03 PM |
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Twice...
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James
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 02:38 PM |
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Lol! 
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 02:52 PM |
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What carb is it James?
If it's the 32/36 Weber off the Cortina just oval the boltholes with a round file. We did one and it worked o.k.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 03:18 PM |
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Breath in and count to 10... that's what we had to do before removing our engine again to replace the frigging gearbox...
It's all in the grand scheme of things - and besides what would life be like without tinkering eh?
Oh and not much consolation but 2/3 of our team only did 180 collective miles from about 600!!! But so what.... here we go again!
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 04:30 PM |
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Arrgghhhhahhhthhhahhthththt
yeah but where the heck am I going to get a sodding starter from
i know could to ten, count to ten.....
leaving the garage alone for a couple of days before i face the devistation from the weekend (its a bit messy at the moment)
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Dale
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 05:51 PM |
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Is there the possiblilty of purchasing a rebuild kit for the apropriate starter that caterham uses and just use the gear from it (if it fits the
shaft).
That would likely require more luck than I have to get a shaft size match.
Dale
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 07:28 PM |
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I've got a spare flywheel if it's any help.
Dave
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 07:54 PM |
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don't need a flywheel, got a spare already ........ hmmm, actually, dave whats the ring gear on your flywheel ?
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 08:01 PM |
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I'm sure the caterham starter is some sort of Ford Crossflow unit. Perhaps you should take a jumpover to blatchat or the westfield forum
http://www.blatchat.com/
http://boardroom.wscc.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi
both useful for information, however people can be slightly more serious than on this forum.
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Deckman001
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 08:24 PM |
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Aren't there two types of starter, pre-engaged and inertia type for x/flows try the other type to the one you have, if you could get to the ring
gear, you would be able to see if the teeth have a slight bevel at the front of them for the inertia type, and straight edged gears for the
pre-engaged
Jason
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 08:44 PM |
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Interesting, I thought that their where two types of ring gear, straight and helical. I'm pretty sure I've got straight teeth on the ring
gear.
I've got two starters, one with a big solonoid on its back and one with a spring on the shaft. I know the one with the spring on the shaft has
slightly mashed teeth which are bevelled. The solonoid one - i haven't a clue it went from one car to another in about 30 seconds without
looking at it.
Tomorrow night I'll take them both into the garden, give them a damned good thrashing and then have a look at them
[Edited on 17/5/04 by MikeR]
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paulf
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 08:57 PM |
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Mike I had a problem with my starter motor, the engine came fitted with a FWD starter motor which would not fit the type 9 bell housing.I fitted a
Sierra motor but then found it would not turn the engine correctly as it jammed in mesh with the flywheel as the pinion throw was the wrong length.
I then tried an inertia starter which turned the engine but made a horrendous noise.
Further investigation found i had a ring gear for a pre engaged starter which does not match the inertia type.
I eventually made three spacers to space the sierra motor away from the block by about 8mm and it now works smoothly.
I would therefore check the reason for not meshing to ensure the length from the pinion to ring gear is correct.
Paul.
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Interesting, I thought that their where two types of ring gear, straight and helical.
I've got two starters, one with a big solonoid on its back and one with a spring on the shaft. I know the one with the spring on the shaft has
slightly mashed teeth which are bevelled. The solonoid one - i haven't a clue it went from one car to another in about 30 seconds without
looking at it.
Tomorrow night I'll take them both into the garden, give them a damned good thrashing and then have a look at them
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 10:20 PM |
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quote:
dave whats the ring gear on your flywheel ?
Inertia type.
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derf
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 10:51 PM |
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You could always rig up a hand crank system....
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 10:56 PM |
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Dave - I'll be in touch.
We did consider the hand crank system, but my partner in crime (who's fault the whole 7 hour "lets get your engine started"
experience was) didn't think he could crank the engine using my rachet more than 10 to 15 rpm. A fair way short of the few hundred rpm i need
to get ignition!
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 09:47 AM |
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found this any good ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9903&item=2478443538&rd=1
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 11:14 AM |
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found it last night and I'm watching it.
The interesting thing is - it looks identical to the second starter I've got that I tried to hurridly fit at 7pm. Going to have another look at
it tonight to make sure i did fit it properly. If that doesn't work I'll then bid on the ebay starter.
one day she may start ...... one day
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 11:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
We did consider the hand crank system, but my partner in crime (who's fault the whole 7 hour "lets get your engine started"
experience was) didn't think he could crank the engine using my rachet more than 10 to 15 rpm. A fair way short of the few hundred rpm i need
to get ignition!
If the engine's in reasonable condition and willing to start, then you only need 1/4 to 1/3 of one revolution to start on a handle.
For example, in the past I've hand-cranked into life a 2.6 litre straight-six Rover 100 (P4) engine - no problem (as long as you keep your thumb
on the correct side of the handle, in case of backfire). It's a technique, that's all.
David
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Peteff
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 12:17 PM |
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Can't you bump start it? or isn't that an option. A spot of petrol down the carb should give you a start. I wonder if a 12v impact driver
on the crank pulley would turn it over or a big drill with a socket attached.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 03:05 PM |
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bump start .... hmm, that might require a prop 
hmmm, the idea of cranking it is interesting. Do you think I could get away with using a ratchet?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 18/5/04 at 03:40 PM |
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Only if you plan on not needing most of your fingers, and poss an arm for the rest of your life.....
atb
steve
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