Dale
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| posted on 6/12/05 at 07:48 PM |
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Caddy northstar. mmmmmm
Dale
Thanks
Dale
my 14 and11 year old boys 22
and 19 now want to drive but have to be 25 before insurance will allow. Finally on the road
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 02:55 AM |
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How about the alloy GM GenIV V8 from a Holden/Vauxhall Monaro? 300kw/400hp, 6-speed, compact, light 
Take a look at the Elfin MS8 Clubman www.elfin.com.au 
[Edited on 7-12-05 by locost_bryan]
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 10:37 AM |
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I have not read the full thread but I know I will upset some people by saying that in my (very humble!!) opinion a rover v8 is not the engine for this
type of car.
It would sound nice and be fun but the limited rev range and excessive low down torque mean lots of wheelspin followed rather swiftly by lots of
gearchanges!!
Personally I think a V6 is a much better option.
Now that's got the controversial bit over with (please don't argue, the above is simple facts, but I fully understand why people use the
rover, it does sound lovely and is great for scaring passengers witless!!!!!)
So, v6!!!!
Simple option would probably be the Vauxhall/Opel 2.5 v6. There is a chap on the westy forum running one on throttle bodies in a westy, it's
awesome!
The engine will bolt straight on to the rwd mk3 Carlton gearbox (1988 onwards) as it shares the same bellhousing pattern as the OHC/XE/Ecotec 4 cyl
engines. The engine does have it's weaknesses, but if you buy one that you can see running it will be fine. They are more powerful than a std
3.5 injection rover v8 in std form and are only 2.5 litres.
The 3 ltr Omega engine bolts up in an identical fashion, but you will generally need the 2.5 "first", because you'll need the
flywheel from it as nearly all the 3 ltr engines are automatics.
250hp is a cinch with the 3 ltr.
This is definitey the V6 route that I would take as the engines are DIRT cheap, the gearbox is dirt cheap and bolts straight on with no special
bellhousings etc, and the clutch parts are all off-the-shelf too.
To give you an idea of what CAN be done (this is a std engine but fitted with eaton blower and bear in mind it's only a 2.5!!)
Squeal Charger Squeal!!!!! Clicky!!
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froggy
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 10:51 AM |
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(sort of) agree with you about the rover engine thats why im using a taller final drive and 4wd setup but in its defence an easy swap ,the biggest
stumbling block is gearing .when i first fitted a rover in an old avenger it used a 3.9 diff and didnt feel comfortable at over sixty mph rev wise
but for bolt on power its well catered for and il keep saying it the noise!!!!!! Hmmmmmmm rumbly
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 11:03 AM |
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with 4wd I would tilt my balance back in favour of the V8! Didn't realise we were including the 4wd option.......that moves the
goalposts!!!
Yes, late 4.6 rover on quad throttle bodies......hmmmm nice!!
Just as another option if going 4x4, you can still use the GM V6, but with a caterham XE bellhousing (or Yukspeed etc) coupled to the earlier XR4x4
type 9 based gearbox, which would probably then need some Quaife internals with that power, which does then get a tad pricey!!
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donut
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 11:17 AM |
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I like this Elfin bodywork:
If i go for an engine change it will be Rover V8 as it's the sound track i want more than anything. I will be doing more research into traction
loss etc to make sure it's a go. Some of the Range Rover and Land Rover engines according to the above chart show low bhp which should be ok for
a type 9 gearbox (with conversion bellhousing) but then it's the torque thats the issue i guess.
[Edited on 7/12/05 by donut]
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 11:45 AM |
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A type 9 will be extremely marginal at best with a rover. I wouldn't try it...............come to think of it is there a bellhousing available
anyway???
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 11:51 AM |
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Ironically enough, a highly tuned v8 will actually be better for a lightweight 7, as it's torque curve will better match the traction available
at the wheels.
A really revvy and highly cammed v8 will be very good, as it will lose some of the lowdown torque which doesn't suit the 7. The downside is that
the steel internals and all the valve train parts won't be cheap.
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froggy
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| posted on 7/12/05 at 12:15 PM |
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i think were getting muddled here, im allready building a4wd v8 its donut who wants to swap his pinto for a bigger engine,as for the gm v6 not seen
any modded engines and i can remember doing quite a few head gaskets when they wer,nt long out of warranty what about induction? regardless of its
pensionable age the rover v8 is nice and simple no belts to break and most engines out there have allready been rebuilt and fitted to some kit or
other project, il wager most vauxhall v6 motors still on the road are long past their prime and the cost of a rebuild is twice what you would spend on
a rover
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