AndyW
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| posted on 31/7/10 at 09:14 PM |
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Power and fuel to a zetec.
Right, where do I start, I have a 2.0 black top zetec. After several conversations with different peeps, Im a little confused as to which way to go. I
have a blacktop zetec and need to supply fuel and power to engine. I hear some say good and bad things about all different types of ecu kit. Emerald
this and megajolt and megasquirt that. Then I think about standard ecu and loom (which I have not got). What would be your opinions as to pro's
and cons with each system. the car will be IVA'd so need to consider this. The car is on a budget too
Opinions and suggestions both positive and negative welcome.
Thanks in advance
Andy (confused)
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lewis
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 07:35 AM |
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I am in the same position as you mate all be it post iva it depends on the age of the engine to emissions ect as it will be a factor for the iva to
get the zetec through I have been told you would need to fit injectors so would need megajolt? I'm going the bike carb route with mega squirt.
The mega option is prob the most cost effective way forward I think
Lewis.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 07:58 AM |
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Meajolt wont be suitable as that is for spark only.
Megasquirt is the DIY fuel injection system.
You will need to run fuel injection for IVA to meet the emissions requirements. big_wasa is the man to talk to with regards using the std ecu which
personally I think is the best way forward for the IVA then change to throttle bodies afterwards as it gives you 3 years before your next emissions
test!
Do remember you will have to meet the same emissions at MOT as you have to at the IVA, whether you are on a Q plate or not.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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fatbaldbloke
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 08:33 AM |
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If it's of any use, there's some stuff on my website - here - about
diy fuel injection.
[Edited on 1/8/10 by fatbaldbloke]
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snowy2
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 09:15 AM |
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strictly speaking your car must comply with the SVA / IVA / MOT emission requirements at all times whilst on the road, and a stop by the old bill for
any reason may end up with a requirement to present the vehicle for a test, and if your car does not comply, you will be liable for a large fine.
Driving a vehicle on the road that you know would not pass an MOT is illegal and renders your insurance invalid, (regardless of the vehicles age, or
when, or if, the vehicle needs an MOT) if your involved in any accident however minor, your insurance company will do it's level best not to pay
out.
The performance loss by keeping the cat is minimal, especially on such a light car.
Play by the rules or build a track car, encouraging folks to blatantly break the law for such a small performance gain is no better than thinking that
joy riders are just having harmless fun.
I hope i never "bump" into someone who has done something similar and discover my hand built pride and joy is written off by someone
who's insurance company won't pay out on it because the other driver wanted 1/2 a second extra shaving off up to 100mph.
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 09:18 AM |
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IF you can get the std induction setup under the bonnet then this is the better way to go IMHO I have been going with the megasquirt for 3 years and,
although it is a hugely interesting and educational subject, at times ( and there have been a few) I just wished I had a car I could just get into and
not worry about the setting up of it all.
Omex etc are expensive but rolling roads are easilly found to map it for you
megasquirt is cheap and greatly increases your knowledge of efi beyond what you would imagine.
the std ecu is just the thing for the job and probably as cheap as the megasquirt. you would however need to get past the imobiliser/coded key issues
that some of them do have.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 09:37 AM |
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All down to budget and what you want out of it.
My vote is standard ecu on a budget and jenveys and emerald / omex if you have a couple of grand to spare.
My mondeo ecu cost a fraction of a Ms kit and thats in and running. it starts on the button and ticks over like a dream.
My inlet manifold is a modified Griffin / Ginetta item and ive added an idle controle valve port.
Much beter than my webers.
Mine
if you can live with an escort manifold sticking out you bonnet
like FrankP's
Hope you dont mind me using your pic ?
Then you can fuel and spark it for a few quid.
Ford spent a lot of money on development and the same ecu has run billions of fords across the world so plenty good enough for my little car
[Edited on 1/8/10 by big_wasa]
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clairetoo
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snowy2
strictly speaking your car must comply with the SVA / IVA / MOT emission requirements at all times whilst on the road, and a stop by the old bill for
any reason may end up with a requirement to present the vehicle for a test, and if your car does not comply, you will be liable for a large fine.
Driving a vehicle on the road that you know would not pass an MOT is illegal and renders your insurance invalid, (regardless of the vehicles age, or
when, or if, the vehicle needs an MOT) if your involved in any accident however minor, your insurance company will do it's level best not to pay
out.
The performance loss by keeping the cat is minimal, especially on such a light car.
Play by the rules or build a track car, encouraging folks to blatantly break the law for such a small performance gain is no better than thinking that
joy riders are just having harmless fun.
I hope i never "bump" into someone who has done something similar and discover my hand built pride and joy is written off by someone
who's insurance company won't pay out on it because the other driver wanted 1/2 a second extra shaving off up to 100mph.
Ooooh.........thats quite a rant 
I didnt see anyone suggesting on this thread that removing the cat straight after IVA was a good idea ? ? ?
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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AndyW
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 05:26 PM |
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Thats exactly what I thought, suppose its true but I wasn't suggesting for one moment I would remove it. Want a simply turn the key and its
starts!
At least I've been told....
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interestedparty
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 05:30 PM |
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quote:
I hope i never "bump" into someone who has done something similar and discover my hand built pride and joy is written off by someone
who's insurance company won't pay out on it because the other driver wanted 1/2 a second extra shaving off up to 100mph.
That's wrong. The insurance co might well not pay out to the owner, but would have to pay 3rd party claims and in the example you give you would
be the 3rd party
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 1/8/10 at 06:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
That's wrong. The insurance co might well not pay out to the owner, but would have to pay 3rd party claims and in the example you give you would
be the 3rd party
Exactly, the law does not permit insurance companies to wriggle out of third party liabilities, a point that many people seem to miss. Still, why
spoil a good rant 
Note that an insurance company can claim costs arising from a third party claim back from the policy holder in cases where he/she did not disclose
relevant material facts.
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snowy2
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| posted on 17/8/10 at 06:12 PM |
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hmmm i didn't want it to be a rant, i suppose i did get on the soap box a little, so apologies. I had forgot about the third party thing,
It's just i go to great lengths to keep legal. I love my car and modifying it, and other folks doing what ever they like to their cars......so
long as they abide by the rules.
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JeffJeffers
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 08:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
All down to budget and what you want out of it.
My vote is standard ecu on a budget and jenveys and emerald / omex if you have a couple of grand to spare.
My mondeo ecu cost a fraction of a Ms kit and thats in and running. it starts on the button and ticks over like a dream.
My inlet manifold is a modified Griffin / Ginetta item and ive added an idle controle valve port.
Much beter than my webers.
Mine
if you can live with an escort manifold sticking out you bonnet
like FrankP's
Hope you dont mind me using your pic ?
Then you can fuel and spark it for a few quid.
Ford spent a lot of money on development and the same ecu has run billions of fords across the world so plenty good enough for my little car
[Edited on 1/8/10 by big_wasa]
Where do I get one of these manifolds from?
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madmatt
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| posted on 19/9/10 at 07:02 PM |
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hi im new on here ...just what topic i was looking for .. running a black top 2.0 zetec in a dutton 2b . pats problems oh yer ,done me sweed in lol
,, phoned ecu clinic cant decode the ecu . so i gotta go the hole hog run mega squirt .looking for a pre pats ecu and loom from mondeo , escort and
fiesta zetec is like gold dust and people know that and want 150 quid
i did want to leave it standard as possible electrical wise but silly old ford wont let you seen pin out diagrams for early ecu.s but no late ones
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madmatt
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| posted on 19/9/10 at 07:02 PM |
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hi im new on here ...just what topic i was looking for .. running a black top 2.0 zetec in a dutton 2b . pats problems oh yer ,done me sweed in lol
,, phoned ecu clinic cant decode the ecu . so i gotta go the hole hog run mega squirt .looking for a pre pats ecu and loom from mondeo , escort and
fiesta zetec is like gold dust and people know that and want 150 quid
i did want to leave it standard as possible electrical wise but silly old ford wont let you seen pin out diagrams for early ecu.s but no late ones
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madmatt
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| posted on 19/9/10 at 07:03 PM |
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hi im new on here ...just what topic i was looking for .. running a black top 2.0 zetec in a dutton 2b . pats problems oh yer ,done me sweed in lol
,, phoned ecu clinic cant decode the ecu . so i gotta go the hole hog run mega squirt .looking for a pre pats ecu and loom from mondeo , escort and
fiesta zetec is like gold dust and people know that and want 150 quid
i did want to leave it standard as possible electrical wise but silly old ford wont let you seen pin out diagrams for early ecu.s but no late ones
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