big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 11:36 AM |
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Camber Adjustment
Hi all,
Hope you are all enyoing the sun.
I have a problem, regarding the front wishbones.
I have started to try and set up as best I can the front suspension, camber and Toe.
I have adjusted the ride height and achieved 130mm to the chassis rail. The lower wishbone as angled down so the maxi ball joint is in line with the
lower pivot and draws a parallel line between them, to the floor.
The upper wishbone has a slight rise to the upright.
So I think this is a good strarting point.
The camber at present is off the guage +3 negative and when I try to get it down to what I understand is a good starting point of 1 negative i am
running out of thread and the drag link is coming out of the adjuster.
I have looked at similar cars to mine on here (photos) and they seem to have a lot more thread in the adjuster than I am achieving.
Can someone give me some pointers please
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
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40inches
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 11:44 AM |
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Not sure on your setup, but the bottom wishbone should be parallel to the ground, try setting it at parallel and see if you have more adjustment.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 12:31 PM |
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A lot depends on tyre circumference, having bottom wishbone parallel to the ground is not always a good thing, however my first question would be
is your suspension Cortina or Sierra based, if Sierra you can turn the mushroom to reduce the camber.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 12:35 PM |
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Sorry its a cortina set up on a GTS panther
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 12:35 PM |
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I just looked at you photo archive ----that mix of parts won't work you have wishbones designed for Sierra uprights, either swap to
Sierra parts or get either the upper or lower wishbones remade.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 12:41 PM |
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Can you explain the differences
Apparently the top bone is the same for either according to gts drawings I haven't got the lower drawing' however they we're bought
as a set from Darren although that's no guarantee I guess
[Edited on 21/4/13 by big-vee-twin]
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 02:28 PM |
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Web info shows the Sierra has about 10 degrees more king pin inclination than the Cortina this translates directly into negaive camber ie if
you fit a Cortina upright in place of a Sierra the result is 10 degrees more negative camber.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 06:18 PM |
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It would seem that the lower Cortina ones are 36mm shorter than the Sierra ones having done some searching way back on here.
Looks like I need some new bones or mine altering.
I've checked my cycle wing brackets and they are for Cortina uprights, looks like Darren dropped a clanger with the bones though.
Does anyone know who does these I've sent a question to Rally Design, but as GTS are no longer around may be difficult to get some.
[Edited on 21/4/13 by big-vee-twin]
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
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flak monkey
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 07:11 PM |
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Bottom wishbones are the same between sierra and cortina, the difference is in the top one, cortina one is ~25mm longer.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 07:59 PM |
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One way round might be to convert the top wishbones to Rose joints but 25mm is a big difference and result might not look neat and tidy.
I know you have a a lot of nice shiny Cortina bit but the simplest solution is to sell them off and go with Sierra front end parts.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 09:34 PM |
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I h've been thinking .................
A better solution might be an internally threaded insert with a stepped outer diameter welded into the upper wishbone in place of the camber
adjuster. It will make Camber adjustment less convenient but once the camber is set you shouldn't need to alter unless youmake changes. The
GTS Camber light alloy adjuster are a bit iffy anyway.
Not an ideal solution from the design purist point of view but it will work it will be well within safety margins and be stiff enough.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/4/13 at 09:42 PM |
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Thanks for that, have been looking at various options, rose joints etc.
I Will see what RD have to say tomorrow then decide which way to go, bit of a bummer as I am not far off finishing-not the end of the world though
Many thanks for your assistance.
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
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