alfas
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:01 AM |
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Headscratching ball joint
i´m searching for a mate, a ball joint with the below given dimenisons (the pic is a random pic, the given measurements are the "real"
ones)
its fitted in an ac3000me
the most headscratching measurement is the spline diameter of 41,52mm
any ideas where thsi balljoint could come from?
[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]
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nick205
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:26 AM |
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Nope I don't know what it's from, but a good motor factor should be able to help identify it.
The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be
press fit into the wishbone.
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Sam_68
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be
press fit into the wishbone.
It's suspiciously close to 1 5/8"?
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alfas
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:45 AM |
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AC has made lots of their parts themselves...uprites, wishbones, brake discs...and the ones they used form the general parts bin are form jag or aston
and some triumph ones.
1 5/8" would be from which car?
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alfasthe pic is a random pic, the given measurements are the "real" ones
a picture of the real
item would be good if possible, also look on it for a part number
otherwise apparentl cf vans may be about the right size...
http://forum.bedfordcf.org/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=710
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benchmark51
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 10:54 AM |
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Didn't the old Vauxhall Viva have something like that? Didn't have a corresponding spline, just 'chewed' into the hole upon
tightening.
VAUXHALL VIVA HA HB HC 1963 -1979 SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINTS PAIR (BJ2)
[Edited on 9/2/17 by benchmark51]
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alfas
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 11:08 AM |
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yes the viva´s, magnum´s etc had something like this....but not the mentioned spline diameter..they are smaller as i remember.
unfortunately i do not get any specific measurements from the supliers or at mr. google.
the original part does not contain any markings, even not on the rubber-dust cap
[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]
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benchmark51
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 11:25 AM |
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Maybe contacting Quinton Hazell would help. They have been around a long time and have catalogues and cross references available on line.
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nick205
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 11:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam_68
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
The Ø41.52 is strange, it doesn't convert to an imperial size I'm aware of - guessing the core Ø may be metric though as it looks to be
press fit into the wishbone.
It's suspiciously close to 1 5/8"?
You're not wrong!
An odd mix of metric and imperial dimensions though. Maybe the original wishbone was a forged item with a certain hole Ø though.
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Camber Dave
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 01:14 PM |
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Have you tried Cavallier Mk 1
Q H catalogue shows 16mm Cone- No other dimensions though
QH No QS J694S
OE No 9293989
Also
QSJ 763 S Has 17mm Cone Fits Opel Commadore and Rekord
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nick205
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 01:33 PM |
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Googling for the part suggests it may be a Transit part (p/n 502 1430).
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alfas
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 04:31 PM |
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hmmmm the transit number turns out to be this:
so totally different
the cone size and thread isnt the problem for the moment....what we havent found is a ball joint which has a spline diameter of 41,52mm (or maybe
41,5)
[Edited on 9/2/17 by alfas]
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Slimy38
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 06:27 PM |
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Are the splines actually intact, or have you got measurements for a worn/altered part?
And is your mate sure that's the one part, or could it be more like your second picture but the rest of it is still attached to the wishbone?
(I've done this with a top mount, couldn't figure out why the new one didn't fit the same then realised part of the old one was
still on the strut!)
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Slimy38
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 06:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by benchmark51
Maybe contacting Quinton Hazell would help. They have been around a long time and have catalogues and cross references available on line.
Are you sure? QH as a brand have been around for a while, but it's not the same as it used to be. Wasn't it bought by a foreign firm, so
they could churn out cheap and nasty parts off the back of the QH brand?
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steve m
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 06:59 PM |
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Has he asked on any AC forum ? as it may be a very sought after piece, but actually a modifiyed main stream part, hence you asking on here
Alternatively, asking in a good old fashioned motor factors would of been my next step, as the one I used when building the locost, the guy in there
was brilliant, you didn't need a part no, or even a pattern, just ask for a xxxx,and back he comes with the exact thing I had asked for, none
of the gormless idiots, that cant help unless you have the registration no, as in halfwits !!
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 07:00 PM |
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does the part on the other side have any part no.s/ markings?
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 07:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Has he asked on any AC forum ? as it may be a very sought after piece, but actually a modifiyed main stream part, hence you asking
on here
this post on the ac forum, indicats it may be the modified transit part. about £175 at the time
http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3982
however, that is for the ac ace, and the joint hasn't been machined in that way.
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alfas
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| posted on 9/2/17 at 11:44 PM |
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old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope
the splines are 100% intact
QH over here is only known for low-budget automotive items for modern cars...no support for "old" cars
the other side has the same part fitted, no markings anywhere
AC Forum? the ac3000me forum has been blocked for public viewers some years ago, as my mate is not really into forums and internet thats not an
option.
seems that a bedford ball joint might have the same spline diameter
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britishtrident
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| posted on 10/2/17 at 07:30 AM |
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Looks like Vauxhall/Opel joint probably Chevette or Viva HC
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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alfas
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| posted on 10/2/17 at 09:07 AM |
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we turn in a circle:
"it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.
our first idea also was vauxhall...but it turned out that they have different measurements.
a mate dealing with panther lima (vauxhall viva & magnum based) told us that he has 2 of those balljoints left because such a tpye is fittedf in
one of his clients cars
quite unususal, as all the other client´s panthers use the standard viva/magnum items which are smaller.
he also searched for markings on the new items: nothing.
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steve m
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| posted on 12/2/17 at 11:22 PM |
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we turn in a circle:
1. "it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.
2. "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "
1. BT, has suggested That the part looks like something from a Vauxhall yet you cut him down in one swing,
Nasty !
2. I suggest a "an old fashioned motor factors, and get a your reply of "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany?
nope "
Nasty !
BT is a well respected part of THIS club and has knowledge that exceeds your tiny self important small brain,
I, on the other hand, for some reason, am not psychic, and as your too fucxing lazy to put were your live in your profile have no clue were you live,
(nor care )
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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alfas
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| posted on 13/2/17 at 07:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
we turn in a circle:
1. "it looks like" does not help as long as we do not have the specific measurements.
2. "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany? nope "
1. BT, has suggested That the part looks like something from a Vauxhall yet you cut him down in one swing,
Nasty !
2. I suggest a "an old fashioned motor factors, and get a your reply of "old fashioned motor fatcors for britsh cars here in germany?
nope "
Nasty !
BT is a well respected part of THIS club and has knowledge that exceeds your tiny self important small brain,
I, on the other hand, for some reason, am not psychic, and as your too fucxing lazy to put were your live in your profile have no clue were you live,
(nor care )
steve
to 1:
because i already mentioned before that a vauxhall part does not fit. (7th posting on the fist page)
to 2:
what is your problem?
"BT is a well respected part of THIS club and has knowledge that exceeds your tiny self important small brain"
your posting sounds like you have something "personal" against me, but please keep patience with your wording.
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Dingz
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| posted on 13/2/17 at 07:55 PM |
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https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&
photo=2FE.jpeg
Will this picture work?
Still Vauxhall, Victor FE
Could be Record/Commadore as previously mentioned
Floor pans were the same
[Edited on 13/2/17 by Dingz]
Phoned the local ramblers club today, but the bloke who answered just
went on and on.
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alfas
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| posted on 13/2/17 at 08:12 PM |
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as said...its very kind of you all to give some feedback...but without any measurements from the spline diameter of the parts you are posting, it
unfortunately doesnt help
see my posting on page 1, 7th posting: "yes the viva´s, magnum´s etc had something like this....but not the mentioned spline diameter..they are
smaller as i remember."
and herewith i would like to confirm: the spline-diameter of the mentioned vauxhall items is definately smaller.
[Edited on 13/2/17 by alfas]
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 13/2/17 at 08:47 PM |
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have you looked any further into the bedford van (coincidentally same manufacturer as the vauxhalls) and to make it easier in Germany, was also badged
as opel at one point.
but please post a picture of the actual item, its so much easier than dimensions on another random part.
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