Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 07:50 AM |
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Tightening up a Type 9
Alright folks,
Purchased another 7 at the weekend, my first Car Engined westfield.
Type 9 box, to me currently seems like a complete bag of bottles. Little to no definition between Reverse & First Gear, little feel between gears
or crossing gates and the slowest change known to man.
Did some reading up, purchased an uprated Nylon heavy duty saddle, stripped down the leaver but the original still seems in one piece so not expecting
big things from the uprated saddle.
Previous owner has cut and welded the leaver, putting 2x 90deg bends, to clear the dash, not sure this is helping with driver input.
Do most people just cut the stick off low and have a stump out of the top of the box that works under the dash level?
or heat and bend the stick the minimum amount to clear the dash?
Any other hits or tips?
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 07:51 AM |
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Think this should really be in Engine & Transmission Section 
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 08:20 AM |
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You need a year lever turret extension, which moves the position of the lever back. Also can get a new quick change lever
link
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Gear Lever fitted
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[Edited on 1/8/18 by big-vee-twin]
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
http://www.triangleltd.com
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 08:37 AM |
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That extension would be perfect, but due to the taper down on the panelling of the tunnel top, this extender would break though and cause quite an
awkward detail.
Are the quick shift kits worth a punt? the complete stick type or the spacers to adjust fulcrum position?
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mcerd1
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 10:44 AM |
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the pic in your first post looks like a quaife gear lever (as used by caterham)
https://shop.quaife.co.uk/gear-lever-ford-sierra-type-9-5-speed
or https://caterhamparts.co.uk/gearlevers/90-gearlever.html
these levers aren't cheap and are way, way better than the stock ones - assuming that your actual box is ok that lever should make it feel
pretty good....
(the short quaife ones come pre bent for extra clearance to the dash)
these are about as good a quick shift lever as you can buy for this box (and you can adjust the pivot height, it has 2 options - just take the lever
off, remove the circlip etc that holds the bearing and spacers, then rebuild it at the other position)
I'd say if this lever doesn't give you a nice feel then you may need to check that their isn't a bigger issue with the box 
do you know anyone else with a type 9 box you could compare the feel to ?
[Edited on 1/8/2018 by mcerd1]
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 11:05 AM |
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Hi
I suspect it's a Quaife knob (or a very similar one) but don't think that's a Quaife lever?
As mcerd1 says - get the Quaife lever and the heavy duty saddle from Burtons, job should be jobbed
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 11:28 AM |
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I'd rather put £115 towards a Quaife Clubman box!
Do these work?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESCORT-MK1-MK2-CAPRI-CORTINA-SIERRA-5-SPEED-TYPE-9-QUICKSHIFT-KIT-MLR-BBA/152651519844?hash=item238abd5764:g:sXMAAOSwsTxXjJ
2r
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nick205
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 11:40 AM |
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I used a Pinto and type 9 in my MK Indy. I didn't fit any extension or other mods to the gearstick, just bent the lever back to clear the
bottom edge of the dash. The gear change wasn't the quickest, but then the type 9 isn't a new gearbox design. It could have been better,
but ultimately worked OK for me.
I stuck with the normal clutch arrangement - did wonder about a hydraulic clutch, but by that point in the build I was more focussed on getting
finished and on the road.
[Edited on 1/8/18 by nick205]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 11:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JimSpencer
I suspect it's a Quaife knob (or a very similar one) but don't think that's a Quaife lever?
As mcerd1 says - get the Quaife lever and the heavy duty saddle from Burtons, job should be jobbed
looks exactly like a Quaife lever to me  (I've got one on mine too)
also Westfield also sell them too: linky
can't find a decent pic of the OE lever just now, but its held on to the box with a cheap pressed tin plate, not a machined billet housing
So getting the cheaper quickshift kit is not only a waste of cash - I'm pretty sure it won't fit what you've got anyway
as above I'd check the saddle - the Burtons HD version is probably worth a punt:
http://www.burtonpower.com/hd-brass-saddle-gearlever-to-selector-shaft-type-9-e-gbt9539.html
[Edited on 1/8/2018 by mcerd1]
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mikeb
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:15 PM |
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Any ideas what this kit does
https://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2007
just looks like a shorter lever that fits over the top if you cut down the original, RD list it a a quick shift?
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:19 PM |
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Thanks for the input folks.
I will likely upgrade to Quaife clubman or Pro Straight cut box over the winter so i'm just looking for a quick fix on the Type9
I've New h/duty saddle is in the post, can heat and bend the standard leaver to clear dash in the mean time, cut and thread to suit.
is there anything else I should look at to improve positivity of the change?
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mikeb
Any ideas what this kit does
https://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=2007
just looks like a shorter lever that fits over the top if you cut down the original, RD list it a a quick shift?
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The spacer adjust the fulcrum point of the stick allowing for a shorter throw!
Not sure which a longer leaver is supplied.
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DavidW
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
I'd rather put £115 towards a Quaife Clubman box!
Do these work?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESCORT-MK1-MK2-CAPRI-CORTINA-SIERRA-5-SPEED-TYPE-9-QUICKSHIFT-KIT-MLR-BBA/152651519844?hash=item238abd5764:g:sXMAAOSwsTxXjJ
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I had one of these fitted for a while and they do work.
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DavidW
quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
I'd rather put £115 towards a Quaife Clubman box!
Do these work?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESCORT-MK1-MK2-CAPRI-CORTINA-SIERRA-5-SPEED-TYPE-9-QUICKSHIFT-KIT-MLR-BBA/152651519844?hash=item238abd5764:g:sXMAAOSwsTxXjJ
2r
I had one of these fitted for a while and they do work.
Thanks Mate!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 12:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
Not sure which a longer leaver is supplied.
is that not to replace the top half of the OE lever - OE ones are horrible 2 part things with a rubber isolator
the OE lever:
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mcerd1
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 01:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
quote:
Originally posted by DavidW
I had one of these fitted for a while and they do work.
Thanks Mate!
I'm sure they work too - but you've already got a better one
I have to add that the Quaife one only used to cost £60 back when I got mine (still not cheap, but £115 is just getting silly....)
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 01:11 PM |
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I've just ordered the kit from motorsport tools to see what it does.
Ah, my stick has been cut as welded before the 2nd half, that's why the 2nd shank looked redundant to me.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 01:31 PM |
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Have a look at Dave Andrews website for info on modifying a standard lever for no cost
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 02:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Have a look at Dave Andrews website for info on modifying a standard lever for no cost
I saw it, but the kit is handier and leaves the selector closed up to the elements, the spacer is profiled to suit to top of the box.
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 02:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
I'd rather put £115 towards a Quaife Clubman box!
Erm.. You have to order the gear lever for the clubman box.. it's one and the same thing, IIRC
If you've got a Quaife lever and a decent saddle the gearchange will be like a bolt action rifle.. if it's not then it isn't.
BTW - I'd suggest BGH if you're going down that route, excellent service for the Club competitor.
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 02:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
looks exactly like a Quaife lever to me (I've got one on mine too)
also Westfield also sell them too:
can't find a decent pic of the OE lever just now, but its held on to the box with a cheap pressed tin plate, not a machined billet housing
So getting the cheaper quickshift kit is not only a waste of cash - I'm pretty sure it won't fit what you've got anyway
as above I'd check the saddle - the Burtons HD version is probably worth a punt:
Yeah - agree it's similar, but Blue.. and it look like the shaft been painted??
It's the vague change the OP has that makes me think it just can't be (with even a halfway decent saddle anyway) as I've never come
across a Type 9 where a Quaife lever hasn't had a slick change - Your's Ok?
[Edited on 1/8/18 by JimSpencer]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 02:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzo
I've just ordered the kit from motorsport tools to see what it does.
Ah, my stick has been cut as welded before the 2nd half, that's why the 2nd shank looked redundant to me.
I've been looking at your fisrt pic again, and actually I guess that could just be the OE lever with the rubber boot cut off and the top half
welded on....
the Quaife on has a machined billet housing with a really nice spherical bearing - no plastic bushes at all
I've never actually seen an OE one with the boot cut off before - I'm not sure why you'd leave it open like that, its bound to let
crap into the top and start wearing everything out.... (dust/git in grease can make really good grinding paste...)
if the OP has a pic with the panel off then it would remove any doubt.
after all it could already have one of the cheaper quick shift kits fitted (that could be either fitted wrong or worn)
either way the HD saddle should still be worthwhile
[Edited on 1/8/2018 by mcerd1]
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Benzo
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| posted on 1/8/18 at 02:53 PM |
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I've had it in bits and the shifter is totally standard internally.
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Benzo
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| posted on 2/8/18 at 08:41 PM |
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Heavy Duty Saddle, quickshift and more direct stick input has saved the day, I haven’t driven it yet because it’s in bits
But much tighter running through the box!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 3/8/18 at 09:19 AM |
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nice one
whats your best guess for which bit made the biggest difference in your box?
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