Trev Borg
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| posted on 18/8/07 at 11:03 PM |
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Upgrading front brakes
Firstly, will i need to upgrade them
I have the standard single piston cortina type things on solid disks.
Was thinking of putting bigger wheels on, so was also thinking of putting bigger vented disk and either re-bracketing the original calipers or
changing them.
Not wanting to go down the expensive line brembo and alike, thinking more like more modern ford vented setup.
and ideas ?
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scoop
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 06:15 AM |
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I dont know much about your car but if its light and you dont want to spend too much then just go for pads, hard lines and fluid. If you go bigger
vented disks and ford calipers you will be doubling the weight of the brakes and unsprung weight for not a lot more stopping power.
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RazMan
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 07:00 AM |
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I second that - stick with solid discs. They are lighter and warm up quicker which is better for road use. If you need to improve the braking then you
can just put larger discs on and make adaptor plates as you say, or go for one of the four-pot conversion kits available, which are much lighter than
your M16s.
Cheers,
Raz
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cerbera
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 07:49 AM |
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Sorry to hijack the thread but what are a good set of pads for solid discs on seven type cars?
Ta.
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short track 123
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 07:57 AM |
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I am just in the middle of upgrading a Sylva Phoenix front brake setup.
We have used 260 x 22 vented disks, Hi spec calipers, race leda hubs and disk bells I make my self. The set up is 6Kg per corner lighter and all fits
in a 13" wheel. We tested it all out yesterday and all was fine. No problem with getting any heat into it even in all that rain.
 
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short track 123
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 08:00 AM |
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Peteff
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 08:21 AM |
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I have the standard single piston cortina type things
I'm sure my Cortina callipers have two pistons.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Avoneer
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 09:05 AM |
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I thought that, but I think he means 1 piston on each side of the caliper - unlike Sierra calipers that only have one piston.
I'd stick with the M16 calipers for now and just try some decent EBC Green Stuff or Mintex pads and see what it's like.
Next step would be 4 pots like hi-spec or willwoods, but I'd still retain the standard solid discs.
Pat...
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madrallysport
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 09:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cerbera
Sorry to hijack the thread but what are a good set of pads for solid discs on seven type cars?
Ta.
Mintex 1144 (for road use) Ferodo ds2500 as well, both brilliant pads, but need bedded in and a little heating.
UNDERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the front of the car.
OVERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
HORSEPOWER is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE is how far you take the wall with you.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 09:52 AM |
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Suck it a see --- honestly.
How much heat the front brakes get depends on a lot of things one of which is driver habits.
Some drivers can bake a set of pads going to the supermarket.
Because of the engine and bodywork your car is going to be more demanding on front brakes than a book locost.
Options using production parts are
As is but with decent pads Mintex M144 or Green Stuff.
As above but with Capri 2.8i vented discs and caliper spacers.
Sell the Cortina bits Convert the front end to Sierra parts.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 01:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by madrallysport
quote:
Originally posted by cerbera
Sorry to hijack the thread but what are a good set of pads for solid discs on seven type cars?
Ta.
Mintex 1144 (for road use) Ferodo ds2500 as well, both brilliant pads, but need bedded in and a little heating.
Not cheap but Hawk Blacks seem to be pretty darned good, also
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Hellfire
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 01:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by short track 123
No problem with getting any heat into it even in all that rain.
That's the point, you need some heat to make more efficient. If you get too much heat into vented, they generally warp.
I'd stick with solid, then groove and drilled then maybe only maybe vented. Vented are too heavy as it is basically two disc's in one.
Steve
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scoop
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 04:04 PM |
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Stick some mintex Extreme in if they do them. Great pads in my type R. Not a fan of EBC.
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short track 123
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 05:59 PM |
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Just finshed race meeting at Silverstone in the dry and no problem with disc's ( lack of or to much heat ) and the whole corner weight is 6.5 Kg
just over 1/2 the weight of the standard set up. Saved 12 Kg of unspung weight.
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cerbera
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 07:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by madrallysport
quote:
Originally posted by cerbera
Sorry to hijack the thread but what are a good set of pads for solid discs on seven type cars?
Ta.
Mintex 1144 (for road use) Ferodo ds2500 as well, both brilliant pads, but need bedded in and a little heating.
Thanks. A good place to buy the Mintex pads would be.......
Ta 
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procomp
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 08:03 PM |
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HI short track 123 what champ was you racing in at silverstone today. Kits or rgb.
Sorry no rgb today. What no in kits.
cheers matt
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Trev Borg
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 09:31 PM |
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thanks for all the replies guys, i think i'll go with with i got at the mo, and see if its good enough. I'll get some new pads tho
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
By that time, who cares.
You're a mile away, and you've got his shoes
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short track 123
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| posted on 19/8/07 at 10:14 PM |
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Hello procomp was not me but a mate of mine who I have designed and made some parts for
No.41 kit car class B
I sore 2 procomp car there today where you 1 of them ?
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/07 at 08:09 AM |
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Hi not me driving unfortunatly ( not that any one really wants to drive at silverstone )
But Darryl and Steve. Not the best of days for them after testing friday at lap record times all day. Problems crept in during qualify and race.
41 is that the green car used to the Wards car.
cheers matt
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short track 123
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| posted on 20/8/07 at 07:06 PM |
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Yes I think so. A chap called Darren has it now just started racing this season.
We went testing on sat at brunt to test new brake set up got very wet but at least the brakes got a easy time to start with before the race on Sunday.
I was a bit shocked to see him down in 17th as he looked like he was going well in qualifying. But it was his 1st time at silverstone and the car is
back in 1 piece this time.
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/07 at 07:22 PM |
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Hi survival in one piece is the name of the game when learning the circuits .
Best off luck possibbly see you at snett and have a chat.
cheers matt
PS sorry if this thread has been hijacked 
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short track 123
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| posted on 20/8/07 at 07:47 PM |
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Yes I plan to be at Snet hope to see you there.
And sorry for the hijack from here to.
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