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robertst - 21/6/07 at 12:16 PM

i have searched around and the common size for the harness bolts seem to be 7/16 UNF.

Question is, can i use 8mm ones instead? or any other metric size for that matter?

Thanks


nitram38 - 21/6/07 at 12:18 PM

Whatever you use must be fine thread and have a graded mark of 8.8 for sva


Peteff - 21/6/07 at 12:22 PM

which gives you a minimum of an 11mm bolt.


robertst - 21/6/07 at 12:24 PM

11mm? i think there's no such thing as an 11mm bolt. i might get 10mm or 12mm which seems a bit overkill for a seat belt.

maybe the top harness mounts would take 12mm?

and the bottom 10 or 8?

what do you think?

Cheers


BenB - 21/6/07 at 12:29 PM

On the quick release Samco harnesses they use 8mm bolts- and after seeing Mr Kubica destruction testing his harness I'd say they work okay.... I've seen a few mentions of the "7/16 or equivalent" floating around recently- is it based upon the manual or heresay? (or some SVA tester talking out of his sphincter)...


nitram38 - 21/6/07 at 12:32 PM

All my sva inspector checked was the 8.8 grade as I had mistakenly used two unmarked toyota ones.
I had to change them. He never removed a bolt to check.


iank - 21/6/07 at 12:38 PM

The minimum size is 11mm it's in the SVA manual 5.2.4 Note 1.

As Nitram says they must be 8.8 grade or better. (grade S for imperial IIRC)


robertst - 21/6/07 at 12:41 PM

ok just checked the SVA manual... it says a minimum of 11mm.... or comparable strength... so does this mean if i get a 12.9 grade m8 bolt its strength should be comparable to that of an 8.8 m12?

i'm in the process of welding the plates to the chassis and i want to get it right...

what's the common size on harnesses? 7/16?


iank - 21/6/07 at 12:49 PM

I doubt that reasoning would work, but who knows.

Personally I'd stick with 7/16 grade S, or M12 grade 8.8 given the amount of work it would be to change later on.


BenB - 21/6/07 at 12:56 PM

http://www.tech.plym.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/boltb.htm

suggest as 8.8 11mm is stronger than a 8mm 12.9 bolt


robertst - 21/6/07 at 01:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB
http://www.tech.plym.ac.uk/sme/desnotes/boltb.htm

suggest as 8.8 11mm is stronger than a 8mm 12.9 bolt


yep, much stronger...

done, 12mm it is

thanks guys!


matt_claydon - 21/6/07 at 01:50 PM

Since an 8mm bolt has less than half the cross-sectional area of a 12mm bolt, going from 800N/mm2 to 1200N/mm2 tensile strength won't make up for the loss in area.

For proper European type-approval the specification is that bolts must be 11.11mm dia (i.e. 7/16" ) but alternatives are allowed if they meet the strength tests. For SVA the requirement is similar, but without the need to test.

[Edited on 21/6/07 by matt_claydon]


Alex B - 23/6/07 at 08:00 AM

Mine are 12mm metric and are the Rawl eyebolts from heavy duty construction fixings. They aint marked though........maybe a fail point?

Alex