David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 07:24 PM |
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Harness (again)
I've been looking around for some replacement 4-point harnesses for my car, and it's raised a question - most 'clubman' belts
are marked as Westfield or Caterham. What's the difference?
I believed that I would need the Westie-sized ones, but now I'm unsure... anyone know? (my belts fasten to the roll-bar, BTW).
cheers,
David
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 07:32 PM |
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David , have you looked at the Sabelt range ? around £45 per set and in different colours. They fit my car OK but could do with some means of stowing
the slack on the shoulder straps
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907
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 07:53 PM |
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Slack in the straps?
Surly the odd mil or two doesn't flap around does it?
Paul G
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 10:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
David , have you looked at the Sabelt range ?
I've got Sabelt at the moment - as I said in the other post a while ago, they have one problem as far as I'm concerned. The lap belt is
tensioned by pulling the strap outwards, but there's no room to pull them properly. I want to change to a harness which you tighten by
pulling inwards towards the buckle.
I also fancy having a turnbuckle release, if I can find one at a sensible price (I'm fed up of strangling myself when putting on the Sabelt
harness, especially when I'm wearing a heavy jacket).
cheers,
David
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paulf
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 10:45 PM |
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I think the difference between Westfield and Caterham belts is the fixing method.Caterham bolt in and the Westfield ones use the untidy looking spring
catches.
I have Luke 4 point caterham type belts and they have the reverse type adjusters but push latches, I also fancy changing to 5 point harnesses with the
aircraft type buckle due to the difficulty getting into them without releasing the adjusters.
Paul.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 16/12/05 at 10:53 PM |
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Paul (G) , some of us are not as big as others, so we have a little slack to tuck away. end of strap hit me in the eye once, not funny at legel limit.
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kev R1
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| posted on 17/12/05 at 10:42 AM |
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i've just bought these securon harnesses, they retail for 170 each i can get them for 220 a pair posted if you're interested. 3"
shoulder straps, just cut the excess off and take them to a sewing shop to get them edged!!
 
Rescued attachment 4 point harnesses web 2.JPG
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Marcus
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| posted on 17/12/05 at 11:46 AM |
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Both Westfield and Caterham Harnesses have bolt fixing for the side straps, Westfield uses eye bolts for the rears, Caterham use bolts.
Hope that helps
Marcus
Forgot to add, both have reverse acting side straps.
[Edited on 17/12/05 by Marcus]
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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dhollin3
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| posted on 17/12/05 at 01:40 PM |
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marcus is correct
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jack trolley
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 posted on 17/12/05 at 03:41 PM |
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Someone on the Se7ens list (forget who  ) is organising a Willans harness bulk-buy.
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James
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| posted on 17/12/05 at 09:06 PM |
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5 points might be beneficial as they stop you 'submarining' in a front-ender!
I'd have bought them if I'd realised how much the 4 point's lap straps rise up as you sit there. Going from safely across the hips
to a nice eviscerating position under the rib cage!
Mark Allanson would be good to talk to on this as he has seen a lot of car accidents*!
Cheers,
James
*I believe that's seen not caused! 
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 11:10 AM |
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It looks like I'm going for a set of Luke 'Pro' belts, once the bloke in Ipswich tells me the price! (roughly £70 - £80 each).
I'll be starting with 4-point, as I reckon being able to tighten the lap strap properly should stop it riding up - all the fixing angles on my
car are correct, but a loose lap belt will ALWAYS ride up when you tighten the shoulder straps. These belts have the option for adding the 5th belt
if I still feel the need.
I'm still worried about the family jewels if I crash while wearing a 5-point harness, though...
cheers,
David
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 11:38 AM |
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Sorry David , didn't see previous post . I know what you mean about adjusting lap belts , A real pain . Not sure about legality about turnbuckle
release though?
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 11:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by James
5 points might be beneficial as they stop you 'submarining' in a front-ender!
I'd have bought them if I'd realised how much the 4 point's lap straps rise up as you sit there. Going from safely across the hips
to a nice eviscerating position under the rib cage!
Mark Allanson would be good to talk to on this as he has seen a lot of car accidents*!
Cheers,
James
*I believe that's seen not caused!
Hope it is just seen! I believe that 4 or 3 points are the way to go, I we never keen on using my testicles to prevent me submarining! Careful
positioning of the mounts is the secret
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Mix
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 01:35 PM |
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If the buckle has the option to accept five harness clips then you can convert it to a six point harness by using two attachment points for the crotch
strap terminating at the same point at the buckle. Much more user friendly
Mick
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/12/05 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Not sure about legality about turnbuckle release though?
Legality varies according to which SVA test station you go to - some say that it must be an 'E'-marked push-button job, others will say
that they don't really care as long as it's marked with some standard or other, and can be undone with one hand. But as I'm
post-SVA...
Anyway, I reckon I could get out of a turnbuckle harness quicker than out of my current 'reversed bra-strap' harness!
rgds,
David
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