saigonij
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:28 PM |
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How many rivits do people use on internal panels?
How many rivits have people used on the internal panels???
Do attaching them with many rivits help the strength of the chassis at all??? I have been trying to avoid using too many rivits cause im getting
annoyed at breaking too many drills
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 09:54 PM |
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None! 
In fact there is a total of only 6 rivets on the entire car! 
IMHO it doesn't enhance the chassis strength.....
Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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MikeR
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:10 PM |
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whats holding the side panels on?
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bassett
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:11 PM |
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Hi, I've got plastic interior panels and i plan to secure them with some sikaflex like tiger seal. I have used it on body kits in the past and
is super stong so is more than enough for the interior panelling. Saves on the nuisance of drilling round tube aswell!
Adam
My MNR Blog Updated Jan 2010 - Track Day Prep Begins!
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/4/08 at 10:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
whats holding the side panels on?
.........Witchery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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vinnievector
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 01:10 AM |
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how many rivets
its wot your intending to fix that determine the amount you use if your fixing body panels then around 3 to 4 inch pitching's is good .int
panels can be less but would avoid using rivets as you might want to gain access later prop shaft root new wires for the dash ext to do some
maintenance so screws and riv-nuts are the best option other wise you end up drilling off rivets after about 2nd 3rd time you will have sloppy holes
so you will need to go up a size on your rivet ,then it starts all over again ,self tappers are OK also as for drilling , pilot your holes 2.5mm first
keep your drill speed down , and buy a tube of drill lube you could try cobalt drills also.
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 06:56 AM |
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I would recomend M4 rivenuts and butten head screws as well (unfornatly I didn't have a tool for them at the time and mine are riveted).. You
should in theory space rivets at 4 to 8 dimaters of the rivet, this will ensure the rivets don't fret.. But for trim pannels you will get away
with less..
I would take the view that the bulkhead behind the seat and floors should use rivets with this spacing, as I would think these pannels are
"structral" in that it should stiffen the chassis. I doubt that the transmission tunnel pannels make much diffrence (but I'm not an
expert!), internal trim pannels very littel, I would even think of velcro!
PU adhesive could be used instead of rivets, but if you have paint, the strength will be limited by your paint adhesion..
Dan
[Edited on 12/4/08 by Bluemoon]
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matt.c
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 07:33 AM |
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Mine 
 
Description
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Agriv8
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 08:03 AM |
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3 either side IIRC
And 2 at the front holding the tub on
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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iank
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 08:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by vinnievector
its wot your intending to fix that determine the amount you use if your fixing body panels then around 3 to 4 inch pitching's is good .int
panels can be less but would avoid using rivets as you might want to gain access later prop shaft root new wires for the dash ext to do some
maintenance so screws and riv-nuts are the best option other wise you end up drilling off rivets after about 2nd 3rd time you will have sloppy holes
so you will need to go up a size on your rivet ,then it starts all over again ,self tappers are OK also as for drilling , pilot your holes 2.5mm first
keep your drill speed down , and buy a tube of drill lube you could try cobalt drills also.
Self tappers are the devils work, and suffer exactly the same problem of needing to go up a size if they are removed and refitted more than a couple
of times.
Rivnuts and button heads are the way to go if panels are to be removable IMO rivets and/or PU (or witchery, but newts eyes are hard to get these days)
of they're not.
Drilling with lube is the way to go as you say.
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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MikeR
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 08:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
whats holding the side panels on?
.........Witchery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fozzie
She's a witch, burn her!
Burn her i say ..............
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IDONTBELEIVEIT
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| posted on 12/4/08 at 02:12 PM |
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too many rivets on say 30mm pitch would weaken the ERW, all in a straight line is nearly like running a slitting disc down the side of it
my 2P
wayno!!
Are We There Yet, Are We There Yet!!!!
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 15/4/08 at 02:22 PM |
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I don't believe the above, IMO, as the rivet holes are very small compared with what is left..
If this was a problem planes would fall out of the sky, there rivet centers will be about 8 times the rivet diameter.. I haven't seen may 747
split apart..
see:
 
wingrivets
Dan
[Edited on 15/4/08 by Bluemoon]
[Edited on 15/4/08 by Bluemoon]
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vinnievector
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 11:05 PM |
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sheety
Hi mate seems your a sheety like me ,on pitching's 8d stuff is for air craft and all depends on gage area struck integrity and rivet type heat
issues aerodynamic flow ext but for a car i think 3 to 4 in pitching will suffice and is more than ad ,in terms of budget and most of the guys on hear
as far as i can see don't use there body side as part of the car structural strength .
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