Noodle
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| posted on 28/6/05 at 09:50 PM |
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Some of you may care to view this thread from a couple of years ago.
Look down to my posting.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=7523
The all-seeing eye has been planned and in development for some time. It only gets announced after an election.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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Fozzie
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| posted on 28/6/05 at 10:12 PM |
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Neil I remember that now....
It turned out to be so true didn't it?
This government does everything by 'the back door' that nobody knows that it has happend until it is too late. In my opinion, that was one
reason he demolished the house of lords, because they wouldn't have allowed Blair to even contemplate a zillionth of the cr*p he has pushed
through. He told the public it was because the lords was outdated......no....it was so that he could do exactly what he wanted!
(my personal opinion of course....as ever)
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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JamieG
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| posted on 28/6/05 at 10:30 PM |
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A very interesting (and diverse!) thread ! certainly raised a few points about dodgy black boxes with unknown functions appearing in our cars...
There is a certain feeling of unease about broadcasting personal info / location in that way,or in any way (ID cards). Another thing is that you cant
actually see the data it contains, therefore it could contain anything/everything about you without you knowing.
For example!; you could walk into a shop, buy a pizza and some alcohol - the cashier 'checks' your 'ID' - (has to scan it
,say,as thats how the system works) and then it updates some government database with;
Subject #124689s girlfriend (#824761) has left him.
scary
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 06:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JamieG
A very interesting (and diverse!) thread ! certainly raised a few points about dodgy black boxes with unknown functions appearing in our cars...
snip
scary
We haven't got a clue what half the computers in cars do --- On at least one car model the oddometer mileage reading is held in memory in the
head light switch !
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 08:10 AM |
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Someone on this forum mentioned smart chips in an ID card that could be read at a distance...
...he recommended microwaving the card for a few seconds! 
DJ
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andyps
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 12:41 PM |
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Bliar said that the public do support ID cards - another of his lies. I am the public, and I do not support ID cards.
It's more freedom taken away from us, in the name of protecting us. What from?
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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ned
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 12:55 PM |
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terrorism and ourselves andy, don't you remember?
beware, I've got yellow skin
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James
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 12:59 PM |
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When I brought up this subject before quite a lot of people came out in favour!
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=25018&page=2
I'll just point out that the bill passed it's 2nd reading last night by a majority of just 31!
To those of you who (in May) voted Labour in the 16 constituencies that would have stopped it last night- shame on you!
Still, plenty of time for it to be stopped though! Come on The Lords, do your bit!
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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Fozzie
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 01:33 PM |
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Yup James lets hope so!
Remember though, he got rid of a lot of the 'Lords' to plant his own toadies.......
IMO of course
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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timf
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 03:22 PM |
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dont forget
even if the lords reject it
he will do what he has done previously
and use the ammendment that allows them ratify something without lords agreement
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Spyderman
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 04:02 PM |
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What frightens me is if this is all a smoke screen to push other bills through.
Imagine the relief that will be expressed when they declare that these proposals are not going through, so they will push these minor bills instead.
Noone knows what they are really about, but they look inocuous so can't be as bad!
Been done before! Remember the Poll tax?
All the rioting and protests did was get it renamed.
Terry
aka "grumpy old man"
Spyderman
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andyps
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 05:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
terrorism and ourselves andy, don't you remember?
I forgot those. I know I am supposed to worry about them all the time according to his Tonyness, but I just can't seem to be bothered
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 29/6/05 at 05:57 PM |
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terrorist???who let them in,knowing they were terrorists and who lets them stay to promote terrorism while we pay for them
sorry not allowed to say that as it may hurt their feelings (their victims dont matter tho)
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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irvined
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| posted on 30/6/05 at 10:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
I totally agree Terry and Jamie!
If we, a cross section of the populous, can see ahead to the dangers of this 'indexing' of the individual, why can't those people in
parliament who are representing 'us' see it too, how on earth has this situation ever been allowed to get this far?
Blair says this ID thing isn't 'if', but, when!
Which I take to mean, that if we do kick up, he will not take any notice, he is going to do it!
(only my personal view of course)
Fozzie
Just remember kids, safety in numers, oops it didnt make sense here either....
(another dig at the whole chip and pin scam thing....)
Oh and don't drink the water 
the UK is really quite similar to post Nazi east germany at the moment, we might not have the stazi, but we have everything else from the propoganda,
id cards, terrorist helpline etc. Time to dig out my australian passport methinks.
Cheerio
D
http://irvined.blogspot.com
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 30/6/05 at 11:32 AM |
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Here's an interesting slant on Biometric ID cards...
The government say that private companies will not be able to chack cards against the national database and will not be equiped with biometric
scanning devices.
So what's the point ? I produce a card at my bank which they can't read and even if they could they can't compare it to my iris scan
or fingerprint anyway. It's just a useless peice of plastic and an excuse to get what they really want - a national database. I note they have
even excluded it from the data protection act !
I have yet to hear a single convincing argument for ID cards - if you know of one please tell me !
Quite amusing that they are trying to sell them now as preventing id theft when 90% of ID theft is 'card holder not present'... how does
that work then ?
Also like the way they tried the 'The Americans insist on it' angle, ... err no actually they only require a machine readable photo, no
iris scan and no fingerprint......
I could go on but I'm ranting now
Off to set up a poll - maybe we can forward the results to our respective MPs (although mine now refuses to talk to me because i asked awkward
questions he couldn't answer!)
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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britishtrident
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| posted on 30/6/05 at 11:48 AM |
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Reliability is a big issue just look at the nightmare car security systems cause when they go wrong --- just ask any Fiat owner who has either not
be given his red master key by the previous owner or the master key has lost its memory -- a Fiat dealler will charge a 1200 pound bill for parts
alone to sort it out.
[Edited on 30/6/05 by britishtrident]
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