Rod Ends
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 posted on 3/8/09 at 03:03 PM |
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TESCO cooking oil £6.50 for 10 Litres
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mookaloid
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:05 PM |
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You making the chips then? 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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omega0684
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:08 PM |
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you have to fry 10,000 eggs in a day to beat a world record?
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:14 PM |
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I hope youre not suggesting we use cooking oil to power our pride and joys?
Incidentally, anyone know where this sits legally?
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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PeterW
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:22 PM |
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Yep....
You can use 2500 litres per year personally before you have to pay HMRC...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4307.htm
Thats around 20,000 miles...
Keep a record... ;-)
Cheers
Pete
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:24 PM |
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I looked into this a couple of years ago when cooking oil was 37p a litre and Diesel was over a quid a litre.
If you have a look at http://www.dieselveg.com/fuel_duty.htm
They say if you use less than 2,500 litres a year you do not have to register as a Producer(this includes users as well) and do not have to pay tax on
it.
I think when I originally looked at it, it was about 26p per litre
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:25 PM |
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Must type quicker
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 03:27 PM |
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Just looked at those Diesel veg kits and they have gone up a bit. When I last looked they were about £450 now they are just over £600.
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Humbug
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 04:36 PM |
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Is there a difference duty-wise between processing veg oil (filtering, cooking with chemicals, etc.) and just bunging veg oil in the tank? I think I
remember reading somewhere that older diesel engines can use pure oil with no processing???
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twybrow
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 05:00 PM |
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We ran my mates Citroen AX on used oil. We filtered out the chips bits, and mixed white spirit in at a ratio of 95:1. It ran really well, with the
bonus of a nice smell coming out of the zorst! I went past a boat the other day, that was running on used engine oil - plenty of that around for not a
lot!
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 05:07 PM |
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I think the duty is payable on anything you chuck in the tank.
So if you found some way of running on water if you used over 2500 liters of water in a year you still need to start paying duty.
However you wouldn't run on veg oil every day in your diesel engine, wink, wink. So as long as you kept details of what you put in you
wouldn't be at risk.
Even a couple of years ago when you paid duty on all of it you registered yourself and kept your own records
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 05:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
Is there a difference duty-wise between processing veg oil (filtering, cooking with chemicals, etc.) and just bunging veg oil in the tank? I think I
remember reading somewhere that older diesel engines can use pure oil with no processing???
Its certain types of fuel pump that were better suited than others. I think site I posted earlier does state the prefered fuel pump.
The main problem with the veg oil is that it is more viscose than diesel and can clog up your injectors. The diesel veg people sel kits that warm up
the veg oil before it goes into teh engine.
I was looking at creating my own conversion by folowing the plans in Joshua Tickles book "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank" Where you start
your engine on diesle and then on a thermo switch feed your veg oil through your coolant hose so its nice and warm before it goes in your engine
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tomblyth
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 05:21 PM |
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MY OLD CAVERLIER RAN ON IT FOR MONTHS
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tomprescott
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 06:13 PM |
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Not all diesels can run on veg oil though, not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but there are two types of diesel engine, common rail and
something else (told you I wasn't an expert) - one of them works with normal oil and one of them doesn't.
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Rik178m@hotmail.com
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 06:18 PM |
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So would say a 106 1.5 diesel run on chip fat? used or clean? 
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Miketheconn
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 06:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rik178m@hotmail.com
So would say a 106 1.5 diesel run on chip fat? used or clean?
Try having a look at this link. Its a database of people who have recorded there experience with chucking vegtable oil straight into the tank
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/database/view.php?id=125
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mookaloid
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Miketheconn
Try having a look at this link. Its a database of people who have recorded there experience with chucking vegtable oil straight into the tank
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/database/view.php?id=125
Oddly nobody has tried it in an Alfa Romeo 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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york-rhino
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 08:10 PM |
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i ran my old 306 on it for over a yr 20 litres oil to 5 of diesal ran like a dream and sailed through the mot the emmissions are nearly nothing.
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paulf
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| posted on 3/8/09 at 08:54 PM |
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I used to put it in my diesel rover 600.It actually seemed to run better on veg mixed with a small amount of diesel than pure diesel , I only did it
during the summer though and it is now to expensive to be worth doing so.Funnily enough the price almost doubled when people became aware it could be
done legally.
Paul
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MikeR
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| posted on 4/8/09 at 06:51 AM |
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Its safer to do this on 'normal' diesel engines. Don't do it on common rail - if only cause a common rail engine will be a lot newer
and therefore more valuable.
If you do do it, you want to make sure you have a bosche diesel pump. Lucas pumps can't cope.
When you change, change the fuel filter after 100 and 500 miles. The veg oil is a lot cleaner than the mineral oil and it cleans out the tank / lines
of all the gunk thats left in there - hence the need for a couple of filter changes.
(i looked into this a lot).
heating up the oil is one option but thinning it down (by breaking up the long chain hydocarbons) is the preferred method.
There are lots of resources on the web - the key bit is finding a supply of used veg oil. Lots of people are aware of this now so its harder to get
your hands on.
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pumpers
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| posted on 4/8/09 at 08:22 AM |
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my missus owns a chippy. We use 100% veg oil to fry in. we usually sell the used oil to a company for £6 a barrell, probably around 60 litres. The
used oil is thick and full of carbon bits so never really thought of using it in the car. whats invovled in getting it ready for use in my car ( Audi
A6 1.9 TDI) ? Just filter and mix with some diesel to thin it out a bit? Or do I need to do something else as well? Might look into this tosave some
of the well earned !!
By the way, Oxford st chippy, stalybridge sells the best chips ever !!
pumpers
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