scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 04:08 PM |
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Motorshow muppet
Just got back from the Motorshow and there was a sign next to a Subaru Impreza World Rally Car saying that it does 0-60 in 2.4s. I asked the bloke at
the stand if this was a misprint but he said no that's correct. I then less politely tried to tell him that it doesn't accelerate that
fast and he ended up getting pretty stressed about it! I've just been checking it on the internet and the WR1 (basically a road version of the
rally car) does it in 4.25s. I urge anyone who goes to the Motorshow to bombard the people on the Subaru stand with questions about this until they
finally change it, just to spite him  
Pete
[Edited on 28/5/04 by scoobyis2cool]
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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locoboy
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 04:33 PM |
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what a cock!
ATB
Locoboy
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JoelP
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 04:40 PM |
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though 2.4 is absurd, the full rally car is faster than any road version i know of, including 555s, 22b, p1 and wr1s. Try a google to find out!
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 04:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
though 2.4 is absurd, the full rally car is faster than any road version i know of, including 555s, 22b, p1 and wr1s. Try a google to find out!
Oh yeah I agree the rally car will be much faster than any of the road cars, but I knew it couldn't be that fast!
It seemed weird that they were showing the 0-60 at all, none of the other teams were and I would've thought it would be one of those things you
don't really want to tell your competitors! Maybe they were trying to scare them with some crazy stats...
Pete
[Edited on 28/5/04 by scoobyis2cool]
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 05:03 PM |
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I seem to remember another manufacturer who misquoted at a show recently (though not as upmarket as Scoop-the-doo) - can't remember who they
were - but they got a real slagging off for it.
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 05:08 PM |
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Maybe this could be the beginning of a revolutionary sales technique - technical stats wouldn't have to be "proven", so much as just
"printed". This would certainly boost sales of the new 650bhp Daewoo Matiz
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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phelpsa
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 05:17 PM |
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Remember that the WR car will be stripped out and have lighter body panels than any road car. They would not put carbon fibre or light weight race
seats in a roadgoing car as it would not be worthwhile.
Adam
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 05:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
Remember that the WR car will be stripped out and have lighter body panels than any road car. They would not put carbon fibre or light weight race
seats in a roadgoing car as it would not be worthwhile.
Adam
The minimum weight for a rally car is 1230kg wheras the WR1 road car weighs in at about 1480kg. Although this is a fairly big difference it
wouldn't account for a 0-60 time that is over 2 seconds faster
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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Bo
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 05:38 PM |
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The minimum weight for a rally car is 1230kg wheras the WR1 road car weighs in at about 1480kg. Although this is a fairly big difference it
wouldn't account for a 0-60 time that is over 2 seconds faster
Pete
Please don't forget about the stiffer suspension, and construction, lower gearing, Sequential box, more BHP etc... 
Btw. I don't think it is that fast though. But I would like to try
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flak monkey
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 06:04 PM |
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The WRC cars are just <5 secs 0-60.
Theres no way with 300bhp and a car that weighs miniumum 1230kg you will get much quicker. Unless you want to be in 6th gear by the time you are doing
60mph....
But then who remembers the mad days of the RS200 0-60 in 2.81secs
Cheers,
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Project7
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 06:19 PM |
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quote:
Unless you want to be in 6th gear by the time you are doing 60mph....
They will be able to play around with the gearing massively for the tight and twisties. Plus grip away from the line is often the limiting factor
with 0-60 times - with a rally designed four wheel drive system it may not be that far fetched - under 3 sec may be abit optomistic though
[Edited on 28/5/04 by Project7]
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cosworth
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 07:38 PM |
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They also have trick things like active diffs, launch control, sticky tyres, semi automatic transmission, choice of diff and gear ratios etc so why
isnt this time possible? Modern WR Cars beat the times of old Group B cars hands down on most stages with double the weight and half the power. If you
consider that RS200 rallycross cars used to do 0-60 in less than 2 seconds then 2.5 for a WR Car is quite likely. Anyone who has watched a Subaru WRC
car on tarmac will know that from a standing start the car will be in 6th gear in a couple of hundred metres
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 07:53 PM |
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I wouldnt call scobies upmarket.
fast yes, plasticky crap inside, yes.
high performance, but not upmarket. Hyundai accents have better interiors.
now, beemer diesels, now ya talking. Who can argue with 9.2 secs
atb
steve
[Edited on 28/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 28/5/04 at 09:06 PM |
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I knew that'd tempt you Steve! 
Don't start me with Beemers again... I can't get on the hard shoulders for 'em!
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N*E*R*D
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 12:13 AM |
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I don't think it is to far off remember that most rally cars make there 300bhp off the line down to the anti-lag system and the Scooby has to
have extra weight added to make up its comp weight!
Did it state there gear ratio 90 could be its top wak: P remember a marketing ploy,
But I don’t believe you can measure a rally car next to a road car for bhp or torque not same league!
Just a thought
J
"Good Bad I'm the guy with the gun"
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mackie
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:43 AM |
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I'm pretty sure sub 3 seconds is possible for a WR car. With mad ratios and instant gear changes (and don't forget massive torque)
it's not unfeasible. The road version is geared for 150mph top speed whereas the competition ones will barely ever see 100mph, probably much
less on twistier stages.
[Edited on 29/5/04 by mackie]
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/5/04 at 11:51 AM |
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My last car broke down - but still drivable (waterleaks) once in 100k. Other silly stuf, but just the one serious one. Still didnt need oil between
services even after 100k, and was still doing same mpg and performance at 100k.
[Edited on 29/5/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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jono_misfit
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| posted on 12/4/06 at 04:39 PM |
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If it was a puka WRC car then 0 - 60 on tarmac is about 3 secs and gravel is about 3.5
WRC cars tend to be geared for circa 120mph but it depends on the event, some are longer gearing, some shorter.
Think the quoted time was a bit on the optimistic time.
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owelly
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| posted on 12/4/06 at 09:49 PM |
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Whether the car can do sub 3sec 0-60 is now irrelevant because the marketing bloke has done his job. We're all taking about his car!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Liam
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| posted on 13/4/06 at 12:01 AM |
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Works RS200 with 450 ponies did 2.8 seconds back in 1980-whatever-it-was. A modern WRC might only have about 320 ponies, but they have about a
billion Nm torque!! Well OK, somewhere around 600 from about idle speed thanks to a good few bar of boost. They produce their 320 bhp, well, all the
time! Rather more useful than a peaky 450-500bhp. Without their restrictors they are 6-700bhp monsters. These engines are literally decades ahead
of the old group B beasts.
So are the 4WD systems, the gearboxes, suspension, and tyres. The WR1 a road version of the rally car?!! Ummm not by a very very very long way!
2006 works WRC, tarmac spec, short gearing, sticky tyres... 2.4 seconds to 60? EASY!
Liam
[Edited on 13/4/06 by Liam]
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