falcor
|
 posted on 13/12/07 at 09:24 AM |
|
|
Cortina/Tanus/Escort/Granada/Sierra huh?
Can someone please explain to me how all the different Ford setups are related...which are the same and what differs?
|
|
|
|
|
coozer
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 10:21 AM |
|
|
All but the Granada were built in Ford Genk.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
|
|
|
Mr Whippy
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 10:22 AM |
|
|
I bet you lot are thinking - "I'll leave that one to Mr Whippy cos he's such a gab", but I'm busy doing reports right
now
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
|
|
|
nib1980
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 11:11 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I bet you lot are thinking - "I'll leave that one to Mr Whippy cos he's such a gab", but I'm busy doing reports right
now
I wasn't but i'm interested in your reports now
|
|
|
speedyxjs
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 12:50 PM |
|
|
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
|
|
|
MikeR
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 01:06 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by falcor
Can someone please explain to me how all the different Ford setups are related...which are the same and what differs?
Ok, i'll have a go - bear in mind i'm bound to get this wrong....
Cortina came first, then you had mk2, mk3, mk4 and mk5. Mk 3 to 5 where basically identical. The granada may have been the cortina replacement or it
was the top end version and looked from the outside identical. Underneeth it used the same engines and gearbox - not sure abuot front and rear axle (i
think rear was same as sierra)
Eventually the cortina / granada became a bit old and it was replaced with the sierra. Due to ford getting a bit nervous about front wheel drive mid
development they stuffed the running gear from the cortina/granada into the car. After a while an up market sierra was required - this was basically
the same car but branded Granada.
Tanus .... no idea?
Escort, started early 70's as mk1, then 75 became mk2 - which was almost identical rear wheel drive, crossflow powered 4 speed car to the mk1.
Mk3 came out in around 1980 and was front wheel drive, then you had mk 4, 5 and (??) 6
all this info is probably in wikipedia.org.
|
|
|
falcor
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 01:19 PM |
|
|
Ok, my reason for asking is that I'm trying to understand which uprights etc are the same between the different models...
|
|
|
jabs
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 02:02 PM |
|
|
Tanus - did you mean taunus?
Ford Taunus was a large family car sold by Ford in Germany and other countries. Some versions were similar to the Ford Cortina in the United Kingdom.
The model line was named after the Taunus mountain range in Germany and was first made in 1939 and continued through several versions until 1982.
|
|
|
falcor
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 02:52 PM |
|
|
Taunus...yeah that's it...forgot how it's spelled cause I haven't seen one for like 15 years....
|
|
|
MikeRJ
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 03:14 PM |
|
|
If you want the uprights used in the "book" design then the Mk3,4 or 5 Cortina, the Taunus TC(I think) or Mk3, or the Hyundai Stellar.
All Escorts used McPherson struts and do not have uprights that can be used directly in a book Locost, but the struts can be cut down and a ball joint
mounting added to make a suitable upright. Sylva and Dutton used this method on some of their cars.
The Sierra and Granada used separate front uprights on thier McPherson struts, which can by used by adding a "mushroom" adapter. The
Granada has 5 stud flanges which limits the choice of wheels.
[Edited on 13/12/07 by MikeRJ]
|
|
|
Macbeast
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 03:36 PM |
|
|
I've always wondered about the Orion. Was that the front wheel drive Sierra ?
|
|
|
britishtrident
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 03:55 PM |
|
|
The Cortina Mk3 to Mk5 ( and the RWD Taunus ) were built on the MK1 & MK2 Granada floor pan chopped just ahead of the rear seat. The Granada was
not only a longer wheelbase but had independant rear suspension.
The Granada models all have 5 stud wheels.
The Sierra is built on a similarly shortened Granda-Scorpio and Scorpio floor pan.
In addition the Ford P100 Cortina pickup was built on chopped version of the same floor pan with a leaf sprung rear end grafted on. --- The P100
Sierra similarly uses the later floor pan.
All the pickups have 5 stud wheels,
[Edited on 13/12/07 by britishtrident]
|
|
|
Marcus
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 03:58 PM |
|
|
No, just an Escort (Mk3) with a boot.
The Sierra was originally designed as FWD, but due to costs, the engine and gearbox from the Cortina were used with the rear being a new IRS setup.
The Cortina always had a live axle.
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
|
|
|
britishtrident
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 07:13 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
No, just an Escort (Mk3) with a boot.
The Sierra was originally designed as FWD, but due to costs, the engine and gearbox from the Cortina were used with the rear being a new IRS setup.
The Cortina always had a live axle.
No the Escort Mk3 is no relation to the Sierra.
The reason why the Granada floor pans were designed to be chopped is Ford could never justify the cost of the tooling for such a costly pressing for
a low volume model.
As the pressings have to be trimmed anyway so essentially no additional cost was involved apart from the six inches or so of sheet steel.
Ford had done a pressed steel sharing between the MK4 Zodiac (ugh !)and MK2 Cortina which shared doors and minor pressing
Four wheel drive was designed into the Sierra & Granada Scorpio range from the start with an eye to the Police Traffic car market, Ford UK had
been involved in producing experimental 4 wheel drive Zodiac Police cars with Ferguson Research.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
[/I]
|
|
|
Macbeast
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 07:44 PM |
|
|
BT, I think he was answering my question about the Orion - saying it was Escort with boot. At least that's how I read it 
|
|
|
Peteff
|
| posted on 13/12/07 at 08:33 PM |
|
|
I'm busy doing reports right now
Little Johnny has tried hard this year but I think his grasp of mathematics is slipping a little.
Yes Orions were FWD Escorts with a boot but to confuse the issue the Escort was then released as a saloon (with a boot) as well as the hatchback
version.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
|
|
|
