sean951
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 05:09 PM |
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DP1 alternative body
im shure allot of people on this forum keep up with the progress of the DP1 as i do. just checked out his site today to see if there were any updates,
and saw this.
its an alternative body for the DP1 styled by a man named Ian Wilmoth. his site can be veiwed here. what do you
guys think of it? i think its amazing. looks like what people in the 50s thought we would be driving now. i hope he goes through with a few
alternative bodys for the DP1 once he has the car sorted, and i hope thats one of them! heres the site for
DPcars if you havent checked it out yet.
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kb58
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 06:47 PM |
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Expect to pay ~$60K for one.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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akumabito
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 06:56 PM |
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Hah! I lost that link, thanks for posting it again.. man, what a machine... just crazy.. 
Don't like that new body concept though.. nope, not at all...
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robinbastd
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 08:28 PM |
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Lime jelly on wheels.
Ian
Only a dead fish swims with the tide.
http://smuttygifts.com/
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 09:59 PM |
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bugger i just spent 4.5 hours reading that site.... i followed your link just after you posted it
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sean951
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| posted on 2/10/05 at 10:13 PM |
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lol, good way to spend 4.5 hours....i saw his price quotes, i honestly thought it was going to be more. i dont know how well it will sell though.
doesnt really fit into to many racing groups. allthough it would make a really fun trackday car, that might be all you can use it as. but man what a
car.
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tadltd
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 11:00 AM |
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ribbit
Best Regards,
Steve.
www.turnerautosport.com
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Alan B
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 12:27 PM |
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WTF??????
I really admire what Dennis has done so far, but I don't think that is the way to go...it's just far too controversial IMO.
[Edited on 3/10/05 by Alan B]
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chrisg
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 05:03 PM |
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Boy is that ugly!
Looks like a wax model of a car that's been in the oven
Cheers
Chris
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sean951
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 08:20 PM |
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Ok...so i guess its not to everyones taste. i like it, but i guess im just weird like that  . allso no one said it will ever be made, i would think
of it as a piece of CG art. chances are it will probly stay that way too. but i think there are some good styling points, maybe the vw beetle
headlights arent the best.
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JoelP
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 08:50 PM |
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i forgot to say, i love it. I doubt a real version of that would have the brilliant paintwork though
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sean951
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| posted on 3/10/05 at 09:00 PM |
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good, so im not the only one. the paint would be hard to pull off, and i think it just wouldnt look the same in the flesh.
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derf
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 12:41 AM |
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It looks great as an styling exersize, but it is butt ugly, imho. I love the actual DP1 styling, and am convinced that should I ever build another car
I will try to build a DP-esque racer
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 07:03 AM |
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Hi,
Followed the project for a while and I quite like the modifications the guy has come up with to the existing body
See this thread for a discussion about it and some sketches http://boards.core77.com/viewtopic.php?p=27373#27373
I had been looking forward to seeing what came next but that is just ugly. I like the idea of a plain styled cot pit canopy but the rest is just wrong
imho
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cymtriks
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 09:53 AM |
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There is another alternative shape on the dp site somewhere which looks like a 21st century update of the classic late 50s and early 60s sportscar
shape.
I like it!
One thing that I'd love to know is how much it would cost to have your body plug CNCed out of hard foam as he does. It seems like a fast way to
get to an accurate shape with minimal final finishing. Take into acount hourly rates and this is probably cheaper than the traditional hand carving
route.
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 10:40 AM |
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i know a company in wiltshire that does it - they prototyped the nissan skyline for the jap motor show in 2002 ?, cant remember now - i did some minor
things like wheel arch covers and such like - i can dig them up if you require it .
the guy who owns the company designed the MR2 way back .
i remember some of the top guys who worked there were on £25/hour for modelling - so perhaps its not that cheap .
I think also they did the plug in a mixture of clay /foam .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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sean951
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 11:08 AM |
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i like the sketch, really smothes everything out. the cnc buck was very expensive if i remember corectly. he compared it to the price of a new porsche
911 i think.
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Fred W B
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 11:46 AM |
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I actually asked the company that did the DP buck for a quote for a buck my company needed, and it was a silly amount of money. I'll try to dig
it out
cheers
Fred WB
[Edited on 4/10/05 by Fred W B]
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 05:43 PM |
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'twas indeed compared to the price of a new 911, twice what he had expected (i read it just the other day!). Whats that, £50k or more?
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cymtriks
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 08:28 PM |
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Where are the costs on the dp site, I've looked and can't see them!
I've sometimes wondered how different ways of making a body cost out for a home build.
Caterham had an alloy body made up for the C21 which they then took moulds off. Apparently someone thought that this worked out cheaper than making a
buck in the usual meerkat/labala way.
Then there is the dp cars shortcut to a near-finished buck, cutting out hundreds of hours of hand shaping.
Thinking about it, real car maker do it more along the lines of dp so perhaps he's right...
All thoughts and any costing for different methods welcome!
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 08:42 PM |
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enter main sight, click on the picture of the dp1, then on the number 1 at top right, then on the link called 'initial design stage'. This
leads to 12 pages, within which the making of the buck is detailed I cant give you a link because the url doesnt change.
near the top of page 5:
quote:
In other news I'm dealing with sticker shock on initial quotes for body plug and moulds, about double what I expected (think brand-new Porsche
911 territory). Trying to look for ways to make this cheaper. I will probably end up doing quite a bit of hand labor myself, using the vendor's
facilities. Sigh... it's never easy 
he implies that that price includes the mould making as well though, he does some of that work himself.
[Edited on 4/10/05 by JoelP]
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Alan B
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 08:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cymtriks
Where are the costs on the dp site, I've looked and can't see them!
I've sometimes wondered how different ways of making a body cost out for a home build.
Caterham had an alloy body made up for the C21 which they then took moulds off. Apparently someone thought that this worked out cheaper than making a
buck in the usual meerkat/labala way.
Then there is the dp cars shortcut to a near-finished buck, cutting out hundreds of hours of hand shaping.
Thinking about it, real car maker do it more along the lines of dp so perhaps he's right...
All thoughts and any costing for different methods welcome!
Simple really...real car makers have little time but lots of money..
Steve and I have almost no money...therefore we have to go the high labour route....but with the labour being our own....bingo....low cost..
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kb58
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 09:06 PM |
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Having a CNC gantry mill shape his buck cost him about $20K.
I'm guessing the first finished car is costing him $120-150K. Of course he only has to sell a few to recoup that.
[Edited on 10/4/05 by kb58]
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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Peteff
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| posted on 4/10/05 at 10:31 PM |
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Of course he only has to sell a few to recoup that.
No, he has to make a few and sell them, different kettle of fish I think. Like computer chip firms the developement cost is huge for the first
one and then it's all down to production costs.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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sgraber
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| posted on 5/10/05 at 04:19 AM |
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I think DP's car is in a class of it's own, especially for the individual effort. It's my sincerest wish that he makes a fortune.
I really like the second body design, but the original one is great too.
I sometimes wonder if I had the money (or the risk taking nature); would I hire someone else to do the work? Can't say really. Don't have
the money!
How about you Alan, would you build your own or pay out to have someone do the labor from your design?
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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