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Struggling to get car to start after fitting carbs
ProjectSi - 24/8/16 at 10:05 PM

I've just fitted a set of CBR600rr carbs to my Fiesta MK3 running a silvertop 1.8 zetec engine. I'm also using a cbr fuel pump however getting it running is becoming a bit of a heartache. The carbs seem to be weeping a bit of fuel when I try start/turn over the car. The carbs came off a zetec and were allegedly running spot on. Any ideas what could be causing this? Cylinder bores seem to be dry as a bone when I took spark plugs out :/


Mark100 - 24/8/16 at 11:30 PM

just done cbr 900 I had one weeping the black flap was stuck on that one freed all four off put a tablespoon of fuel in each and it fired straight up


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Mark100
just done cbr 900 I had one weeping the black flap was stuck on that one freed all four off put a tablespoon of fuel in each and it fired straight up


What was stuck the throttle flap? How did you free them? Did you have to take the carbs apart?


mcerd1 - 25/8/16 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by ProjectSi
The carbs seem to be weeping a bit of fuel when I try start/turn over the car. The carbs came off a zetec and were allegedly running spot on. Any ideas what could be causing this?


what fuel pump are you using ?


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by ProjectSi
The carbs seem to be weeping a bit of fuel when I try start/turn over the car. The carbs came off a zetec and were allegedly running spot on. Any ideas what could be causing this?


what fuel pump are you using ?


Said in the first post Mate using the cbr600 pump


chris - 25/8/16 at 11:49 AM

have you adjusted idle mixture screws
are the floats stuck in the bowl
are the carbs level
my carbs run on 2.5 psi fuel pressure

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chris - 25/8/16 at 11:55 AM

also have you got the vent pipes open


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by chris
also have you got the vent pipes open [/quote

What are the vent pipes bud? Are thEse the two small pipes sticking out above the carbs. There's also one larger one or are these vacum pipes. Sorry for the silly questions quite inexperienced with these but want to give them a go.


chris - 25/8/16 at 02:48 PM

if new how to post pictures it would be a lot easier to explain but the vent pipes are usually at the top of the carbs and should be left open to vent to atmosphere if you have fuel coming out of these I would say that your floats are stuck or not level


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by chris
if new how to post pictures it would be a lot easier to explain but the vent pipes are usually at the top of the carbs and should be left open to vent to atmosphere if you have fuel coming out of these I would say that your floats are stuck or not level


Fuel doesn't come out of the pipes it comes out the carbs themselves by the looks of things. However I did have two small black pipes blanked off as I assumed these were for vacuums so that maybe the issue :/


mcerd1 - 25/8/16 at 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by ProjectSi
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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by ProjectSi
The carbs seem to be weeping a bit of fuel when I try start/turn over the car. The carbs came off a zetec and were allegedly running spot on. Any ideas what could be causing this?


what fuel pump are you using ?


Said in the first post Mate using the cbr600 pump


but is that from a carbureted or fuel injected bike - it makes a big difference !

you said at the top that the carb's are from a CBR600RR, but as far as I know all the RR versions were fuel injected - I believe the F4 was the last one with carbs (although I'm not an expert on these bikes)

[Edited on 25/8/2016 by mcerd1]


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by ProjectSi
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Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by ProjectSi
The carbs seem to be weeping a bit of fuel when I try start/turn over the car. The carbs came off a zetec and were allegedly running spot on. Any ideas what could be causing this?


what fuel pump are you using ?


Said in the first post Mate using the cbr600 pump


but is that from a carbureted or fuel injected bike - it makes a big difference !

you said at the top that the carb's are from a CBR600RR, but as far as I know all the RR versions were fuel injected - I believe the F4 was the last one with carbs (although I'm not an expert on these bikes)

[Edited on 25/8/2016 by mcerd1]


It is allegedly from a carburettor powered bike. Slight mistake the pump I've bought is for the cbr600f, it says it should pump around 1.5-2psi which is about right for carbs isn't it? Is there a way to upload pictures on here?


chris - 25/8/16 at 03:23 PM

don't think there are any vac pipes on bike carbs just fuel pipes vent and de ice circuit


mcerd1 - 25/8/16 at 03:46 PM

you should be able to upload pics here: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php

then link to them by copying and pasting this bit in you posts:





quote:
Originally posted by ProjectSi
It is allegedly from a carburettor powered bike. Slight mistake the pump I've bought is for the cbr600f, it says it should pump around 1.5-2psi which is about right for carbs isn't it?

only asking as its been a common problem - I believe the carbd bike pumps self regulate to about that kind of pressure (which saves the need for any extra regulator)



there are a few old posts about connecting up bike carbs - this is the best one I can find for now (ZX9R so slightly different type of keihin carb to what I think you'll have, but it should give you the right idea)

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=100648


[Edited on 25/8/2016 by mcerd1]


Charlie_Zetec - 25/8/16 at 03:48 PM

I thought the F4 was the first of the fuel injected bikes? I used to have an CBR600 F3 (S-reg), which was one of the last carb'd models. If the pump is from a CBR 600f, just check the year of the bike it came off. Pretty sure that anything 2001 or newer will be injection, and not what you want/need.


mcerd1 - 25/8/16 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Charlie_Zetec
I thought the F4 was the first of the fuel injected bikes?
google says its the F4i rather than the F4 (99 to 2000)
I guess the name makes sense at least

[Edited on 25/8/2016 by mcerd1]


chris - 25/8/16 at 03:56 PM

don't want to hijack this thread but all my pictures are in photobucket and I just cant upload them onto this site


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 05:03 PM

So am I correct in saying bike carbs lack vacumm lines all together then? If so then this could be my issue, as there was one large pipe and two smaller ones on the top of the carbs which I assumed were vacuum lines. One I've hooked up to servo and the other 2 I've blanked so no wonder the fuel isn't getting through if that's the case


chris - 25/8/16 at 05:32 PM

To connect your servo you will need to have a take off point on each of the inlet branch of manifold with those four take offs going to a plenum and then onto servo some people only use one take off but I like belt and braces


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 05:58 PM

That's fine I'll work out how to get servo working just want sure what those pipes on the carbs were. I thought they were vacuum lines but I guess they are vents?


David Jenkins - 25/8/16 at 06:17 PM

I don't know if this helps, but here's the link to my web page regarding the CBR600 carbs I fitted to my crossflow:

Bike carbs


mcerd1 - 25/8/16 at 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by ProjectSi
That's fine I'll work out how to get servo working just want sure what those pipes on the carbs were. I thought they were vacuum lines but I guess they are vents?

that's probably the case, but some pics would hopefully confirm it

if your struggling to upload them then you can email them to me and i'll put them on if you like


chris - 25/8/16 at 07:40 PM

if I post up a link it allows access to everything in my photobucket

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chris - 25/8/16 at 07:46 PM

hang on how did I do that ?????????


chris - 25/8/16 at 07:49 PM

any way you can just see the vent pipes sticking out of the top between 1&2 & 3&4 these are just left open to atmosphere


chris - 25/8/16 at 08:01 PM


this is a plenum I made up to do vac advance on dizzy same thing needed to work brake servo but the nipple that's left on number four inlet could be used for servo

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[Edited on 25/8/16 by chris]


chris - 25/8/16 at 08:16 PM

eh getting the hang of posting pictures now eh!!!!!!!!!


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 08:26 PM

Cheers guys, that's cleared it up a bit. I had all of those vent pipes blanked off...Would this cause the fuel spilling out the carbs issue with them being blanked? I'll be able to go to the car tomorrow so I'll remove the blanks and see how it goes. One of the flaps on cylinder one though is quite stiff, it doesn't open or close near as niceley as the rest do.


chris - 25/8/16 at 10:02 PM

I would take it out and clean the slider all four have to work the same


ProjectSi - 25/8/16 at 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by chris
I would take it out and clean the slider all four have to work the same


Okay will do. Need to change the inlet gasket anyway. All being well should be able to get it going