Brooky
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 07:11 PM |
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Life expectancy of a 2.0 ford turbo diesel engine.
Hi all, im considering buying an 04 plate TDCI Mondeo that is dirt cheap.
The reason its cheap is its got inter stellar mileage on it 232,000. Is this a worry for these engines? I know they are exactly the same as the Pugeot
engines but i dont know how long they will last for.
Its the 130 version with the six speed manual box. It has a full service history of stamps from a ford dealer but no receipts or parts changed.
Anything I should be aware of when looking at this?
Thanks for your help in advance.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 07:55 PM |
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How cheap is dirt cheap ? how long is the MOT keep in mind the car market is really slow with auction prices at an all time low.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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MikeR
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:14 PM |
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dual mass flywheels go and aren't cheap to replace. If you do the clutch at the same time budget 1k. Timing chain is rated / designed to last
the life of the engine at 120k so it should be on its second. No idea of the cost of replacement. I had engine mounts fail at 80k on my focus version
of the same engine.
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Brooky
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:17 PM |
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Cheap is 1500 advertised price , going for 1250.
Mot due may 2012, last serviced march 11.
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snakebelly
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:40 PM |
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Don't bother with the dmf, standard flywheel conversion kits are much cheaper
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pmc_3
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:50 PM |
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A lot of the high miler ones on ebay seem to have injector problems and as said above the dual mass fly wheel.
Main thing i'd be looking for is a lot of history
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britishtrident
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 08:50 PM |
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Not that dirt cheap then I suspect a 132k one would just make 1800 at auction at least in my area.
If you want a big cheap diesel look at Rover 75 the MPG isn't as variable as it seems to be on the Ford, you should be able to pick up a
90,000 to 100,000 miler for that money at auction or small adds, the version of the BMW engine used is bullet proof as is the manual gearbox
suspension and brake parts are cheap and loads of second spares on ebay.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 09:05 PM |
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Yeah that is stellar mileage. Would be a good idea to find out if all the above have been replaced and when and factor that in.
The last mondeo I had was a mk2 with the crappy old 1.8td and that fell apart at about that mileage (wasn't my taxi!)
To be fair I wouldn't expect it to last long
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mad4x4
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 09:16 PM |
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My citroen diesel engine failed at about 120K and that was the inj pump bearings so I think 220k is good for one of thoese personally I would expect
much after about 250K car itself the suspension probably need replace - spring shocks all bushes, Brakes .... Gear box oils .... If it has a towbar
then I might not even give it 250K...!
Never seen or worked on a diesel ford but above is a guess based on mileage. I know what my Skoda fabia at 160K needs.... or will need soon
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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pmc_3
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 09:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
My citroen diesel engine failed at about 120K and that was the inj pump bearings so I think 220k is good for one of thoese personally I would expect
much after about 250K car itself the suspension probably need replace - spring shocks all bushes, Brakes .... Gear box oils .... If it has a towbar
then I might not even give it 250K...!
Never seen or worked on a diesel ford but above is a guess based on mileage. I know what my Skoda fabia at 160K needs.... or will need soon
As above really dont get too hung up on it not being that old, even if it has a good engine and box other things are likely to be tired. I'm not
too put off by high mileage, my passat is over 230k and engine and box are fine. It did cost a fair bit to get through the MOT last month though, I
almost didn't bother, needed 7 out of the 8 front suspension arms replacing and some other minor bits.
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owelly
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 09:26 PM |
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A work mate of mine sold his 2003 Mondeo Ghia Estate a couple of months back. 123,000 miles, FSH, new clutch kit fitted, new suspension bushes all
round, new injectors etc. After three rounds on Ebay he let it go for £1200. His expenditure on that car has been enough to put me off any
'modern' Ford!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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MikeR
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 09:35 PM |
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Oh, yeah, i've heard horror stories of injector failure .......... not stopped me chopping in my 05 focus for an 08 smax with the latest
revision of that engine. Each injector has to be coded to the engine management system which adds a nice lump onto the expensive injector replacement
price.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 11:27 PM |
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In my opinion, that ain't cheap enough especially considering the current market. One big fault and the car is basically a write off. And as
others have said its not just the engine that has done all those miles.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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Brooky
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 11:45 PM |
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Thanks guys. I think I'll keep looking for another car.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/12/11 at 11:51 PM |
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And don't forget that the 'turbos' seem to go, for either a joke or a hobby and when they go, you don't normally get that much
change out of 1.5 - 2 k.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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Simon
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 12:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Brooky
Thanks guys. I think I'll keep looking for another car.
That car may be ok but the price is wrong. offer them a couple of hundred and take a chance
ATB
Simon
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computid
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 12:49 AM |
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Well I had a TDDI mondeo with epic mileage. Heres a photo:
The only thing that went wrong was the fuel lift pump. £70 from ebay and I was away again.
Nothing wrong with the high mileage ones but that price is way too high. I paid £250 for mine as a non runner.
Sold it for £700 with a fresh MOT.
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Brooky
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 01:18 AM |
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Hhhmmmm, as I've now decided its not quite right, I may just offer 500!
I'll let you know!
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snapper
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 08:51 AM |
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Cheapest dual mass replacement round here is £750
The kit of eBay is £300
Starter motors jam with the dust from the dual mass and whilst not hard to take apart are a real pig to get at.
Injector recall ration is done via ford software using the injector serial numbers but Ford rip you off for the privilege.
Great cars but why go for such high milage when for a few quid more you'll have ten years more life?
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 10:29 AM |
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DMF & starters are less of problem they once were on the Mondeo.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 10:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Brooky
Hhhmmmm, as I've now decided its not quite right, I may just offer 500!
I'll let you know!
Do a search on ebay Rover 75 diesel £600 to £1500 loads come up as classified at fixed price or best offer, generally with 70,000 to 140,000
on the clock.
Thes the 75 and ZT are a seriously good diesel I know a mini cab driver who has had two ---- total mileage 680,000 miles.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 10:52 AM |
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Ford engine, injectors and pump will not leave you any change out of £1000, also needs remapping as they are numbered.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
Ford engine, injectors and pump will not leave you any change out of £1000, also needs remapping as they are numbered.
Lets face it major trouble with a car in this price range you have to suppress your natural instincts and make the choice to fix it or not based on
hard economics.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Simon
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 12:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Brooky
Hhhmmmm, as I've now decided its not quite right, I may just offer 500!
I'll let you know!
Offer less, much less - use all the negative arguments above about potential costs for fixing. If you get it cheap enough, it'll be a throw away
car!
ATB
Simon
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 3/12/11 at 01:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snapper
Cheapest dual mass replacement round here is £750
DMF from Euro Car Parts is ~£236.
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