sickbag
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| posted on 21/4/09 at 02:05 PM |
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I think that's the problem with this country - no one makes a stand, everyone just says "what's the point, it won't make a
differance!".
Look across the water and find me a country where the people don't get off their arses (and away from the tv (Shock! Horror!)) and make a stand
against those in power!
Even immigrants living in this country make more of a stand than what we do!
Now that's brain-washing on a grand scale.
Finally back on the job!
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jabbahutt
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| posted on 21/4/09 at 03:13 PM |
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well if you want to protest and not have to bother leaving your seat just refuse to renew your tax disc.
If it were made known by pass along email of the intent and enough people agreed it's amazing the impact it can have.
Remember when they wanted to charge you to remove your money from a cash point? one of these blanket emails went round suggesting that on the day it
was to be brought in everyone should write a cheque to a mate for 10p then bank it.
The costs to the banks to sort it out would of been huge and the next day the idea was dropped with not one cheque written.
It's the fear that it might happen which gets the attention.
just a thought
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muzchap
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| posted on 21/4/09 at 05:18 PM |
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I like Jabba's idea - I mean, as a ruler of his own planet - the d00d knows his stuff 
Well ok - his hiring of staff leaves a little to be desired and he fell foul of a scantily clad woman, but the rest stacks up
I agree - we're suffering DE-VOLUTION at present - this is possibly the most ridiculous rule bound country - even the sodding yanks have a 55
speed limit...
Oh well another reason to start working on my changeable LED number plate
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If you believe you're not crazy, whilst everybody is telling you, you are - then they are definitely wrong!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 21/4/09 at 07:00 PM |
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Why not just place a blanket 20 limit everywhere? If speed kills then no-one will ever die right?
Only I'll die of boredom and I'll be involved in my 4th accident in 10 years, by not looking where I'm going because of going so
slow
Vote for me next time, I'll sort this mess out..
23,947 signatures now, including mine
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A1
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 12:20 AM |
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lets just agree not to pay road tax or stick to the limit... i dont agree with driving fast in town, but outside town on quiet roads...
i signed the petition, for all the good itll do.
not a happy bunny...
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 12:24 AM |
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Well you could always write to your MP, like I did asking what they were going to do about fuel tax... The response was pretty much "Your fault
for having such a big car." I'm currently trying to steal his job with about as much luck...
Next election I'm writing my name on it and putting my X there
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RK
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 01:25 AM |
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I thought it WAS 50. Turns out I spent a week driving too slowly. Those country lanes can be right dangerous at 50, let alone 60, especially when you
can't see what's around the next corner.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 01:30 AM |
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In which case why don't we punish the tool that does 60 where it's not safe rather than punish skilled drivers that do 60 where it IS?
I've seen some "60" roads that I felt were dangerous at half that speed, it's a case of judgement that should be in the hands
of the driver and when the thinking gets taken away from you it actually causes more danger (I think the case in point was a device to help wagon
drivers stay in lane, caused more accidents because of a "zombie" effect)
What's annoying me the most about it all is that we're slowing being banned from thinking for ourselves
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adithorp
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 12:09 PM |
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Has anybody actually read the proposal or are we just going to listen to the bits the press want you to hear?
It includes improvements to the driving test/standards, reduction of drink/drug driving, etc. The speed limit reduction (and thats happening already
in many town centres and rural roads) are just a part of it but making a big deal of it just happens to serve the newspapers agenda.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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RK
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 12:26 PM |
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Try driving over here for a while. It is stop/go constantly. There are virtually no roundabouts, just red lights. Speed changes constantly: one minute
it's 80 kph, the next it's 50. In towns it's supposed to be 50, but ends up 30. The roads are designed to take a certain speed in
your average American boat, and 30 % is taken off that. Roads that look like motorways are 70 or even 60 KPH, not miles. Highways/motorways twice as
wide as any M motorway there, are posted at 100 kph (55 mph) or maybe 110 (60 mph). You have it good.
That said, outside the city, you can go very long distances on very boring wide roads in a short time because there is often nobody in the way.
[Edited on 22/4/09 by RK]
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Has anybody actually read the proposal or are we just going to listen to the bits the press want you to hear?
It includes improvements to the driving test/standards, reduction of drink/drug driving, etc. The speed limit reduction (and thats happening already
in many town centres and rural roads) are just a part of it but making a big deal of it just happens to serve the newspapers agenda.
adrian
If there's a link I'll click it, I'm famously horrible at finding useful information...
I'm all for a more stringent or involved driving test, that's great and I'd like to know more about that.
I also don't mind lowering speed limits where it's dangerous (if they ever do that) but imho we really should have no speed limits, rather
a guideline. You can drive over that guide limit without points but you cause an accident and you'll be taking it up the bum for it...
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adithorp
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 08:03 PM |
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"...You can drive over that guide limit without points but you cause an accident and you'll be taking it up the bum for it..."
Sounds fine when it's just a bent car and a demolished wall; You take the risk and the consequences. When the result is someone elses dead
child, no " taking it up the bum" helps!
Of course we all like to think we're better than the average driver but I can recall at least 3 sets of pictures of members cars in ditches in
the last 12 months. Luckily no one seriously hurt and 2 caused by outside circumstances (water and wildlife). Speed wasn't the cause but it
demonstrates that you can't always predict whats going to happen, just react to it. The faster you go the less you can react and the worse the
consequenses.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/4/09 at 08:17 PM |
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Exactly, it's not the speed per se rather the mis-application of speed. I'd rather see prosecutions based on that, there's a good
few roads in Warrington that are dangerous doing 40-50 at 3pm but at 3am it's a clear dual carriageway with lots of visibility and doing 50-55
is no problem.
I had an idea on this basis for variable speed limits, based on those signs that flash the limit when you're going too fast..
Really I'd like to see the desicion being on the driver, and the test geared toward making the right decisions
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RK
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 12:24 PM |
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The problem is that it's hard to "choose your spots" after a while. You just go "well, I just hope nobody is coming around the
corner", and overdo it into someone or the hedge. I am sure there are plenty of spots without cameras though for the daring ones. The GPS tells
you where they are anyways!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 05:37 PM |
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Hmm, that's a good one, why not put these cameras on dangerous places like blind bends and unexpectedly sharp corners? Places where there have
been accidents that might not involve a child running into the road
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focijohn
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| posted on 25/4/09 at 04:08 PM |
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I havnt read all of the posts so forgive me if im repeating someone else.... As before im all for doing 20/30 in town and hate when people dont. But
in 60's etc...... But lowering the speed limits is only going to affect the people that actually stick to them. Which i can assure people around
here is not many. So i will do what ever that is but jimmy the chav or the get out of my way business man is still going to speed.
But im sure that somewhere there is someone with a 400 page doc of "facts" will beg to differ.
[Edited on 25/4/09 by focijohn]
Anyone going slower than you is an idiot. Anyone going faster than you is a maniac.
Too many targets but too few bullets.
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RK
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| posted on 26/4/09 at 01:48 AM |
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I noticed in my short time there recently, that often there were cameras at dangerous spots like blind corners and steep hills with sharp bends - that
led me to believe that all these changes may be to actually increase safety for you, and not just to take more money from you.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 26/4/09 at 01:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RK
I noticed in my short time there recently, that often there were cameras at dangerous spots like blind corners and steep hills with sharp bends - that
led me to believe that all these changes may be to actually increase safety for you, and not just to take more money from you.
That's brilliant, I personally haven't seen one in that kind of place as far as I remember but I do agree with having them in dangerous
places and not where groups of people don't look when they cross the road
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