craig1410
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 05:01 PM |
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Originally posted by jacko
So where does that put Alonso?
8th, ahead of Buemi now.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 05:10 PM |
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Originally posted by jacko
And British looking at where you live  so should support British 
Trouble is that reduces us to the level of the Spanish F1 lynch mob.
F1 is so mixed up anyway --- Red Bull is Austrian ? :-)
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bassett
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 07:30 PM |
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how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
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craig1410
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 07:41 PM |
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Originally posted by bassett
how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?
No. If it had done then Alonso might have pulled out enough of a lead to avoid losing any (or as many) places.
That's the main gripe. Why did it take so long.
Craig.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 08:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by bassett
how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?
No. If it had done then Alonso might have pulled out enough of a lead to avoid losing any (or as many) places.
That's the main gripe. Why did it take so long.
Craig.
They also had the other SC infringements to consider.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
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craig1410
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 08:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by bassett
how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?
No. If it had done then Alonso might have pulled out enough of a lead to avoid losing any (or as many) places.
That's the main gripe. Why did it take so long.
Craig.
They also had the other SC infringements to consider.
Fair enough but all the more reason to stiffen the penalty to a stop and go.
Also, they announced Hamilton's penalty and then later on announced that the others would be looked at after the race. That suggests to me that
they were looking at Hamilton's incident first. And let's face it, it wasn't difficult to look at the helicopter camera shot and see
the white line in relation to the two cars was it? Why take 30 minutes to decide that?
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Bitten hero
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 09:44 PM |
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Just love it when he chucks all his toys out of the pram needs to get this chip about hammy off his shoulders
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 10:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by bassett
how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?
No. If it had done then Alonso might have pulled out enough of a lead to avoid losing any (or as many) places.
That's the main gripe. Why did it take so long.
Craig.
They also had the other SC infringements to consider.
'And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?'
No, for the simple reason that it's a call that's made electronically, sensors on the track and car measured against the starting lights,
instant decision, no need for a Stewards opinion. The call on Hamilton was open to opinion, the Stewards obviously didn't all agree which is why
it took so long.
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craig1410
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| posted on 27/6/10 at 10:26 PM |
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Originally posted by norfolkluego
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Originally posted by britishtrident
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Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by bassett
how can alonso be annoyed with that result after he jumped the green light just a few races previous had a drive through and still done well the boy
needs to man up and act like the champion he used to be. Well done to Vettel he was barely shown in the coverage and definitely had a quick pace but
atleast hamilton still has the top spot and i cant wait to see him at silverstone
And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?
No. If it had done then Alonso might have pulled out enough of a lead to avoid losing any (or as many) places.
That's the main gripe. Why did it take so long.
Craig.
They also had the other SC infringements to consider.
'And did it take 20 laps to issue the drive through penalty on that occasion?'
No, for the simple reason that it's a call that's made electronically, sensors on the track and car measured against the starting lights,
instant decision, no need for a Stewards opinion. The call on Hamilton was open to opinion, the Stewards obviously didn't all agree which is why
it took so long.
Oh come on! It was plainly obvious from the overhead camera shot that he overtook the safety car - there was nothing open to opinion! Even the BBC
commentators agreed on that. Did you watch the article at the start of the program where they talked about how race control know where every car is
right down to the sub-metre level?
As for the jump start, yes they have sensors but the stewards still have to agree on the penalty hence the message which comes up saying that a given
incident is under investigation. It is the stewards who investigate!
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 06:45 PM |
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But the race Stewards obviously didn't agree about either the offence or the penalty or they would have called it sooner unless you buy into
Alonso's conspiracy theory which is frankly ridiculous, if they (the FIA) were going to fix a race (against Alonso) I doubt very much if
they'd pick Valencia to do it, Silverstone maybe. You're also calling into question the integrity of the drivers representitive on the
panel (Frentzen was it?), unlikely they'd do that.
Total Ferrari/Alonso paranoia as the FIA is now run a bit more impartially than it used to be.
[Edited on 28/6/10 by norfolkluego]
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craig1410
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 08:10 PM |
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Originally posted by norfolkluego
But the race Stewards obviously didn't agree about either the offence or the penalty or they would have called it sooner unless you buy into
Alonso's conspiracy theory which is frankly ridiculous, if they (the FIA) were going to fix a race (against Alonso) I doubt very much if
they'd pick Valencia to do it, Silverstone maybe. You're also calling into question the integrity of the drivers representitive on the
panel (Frentzen was it?), unlikely they'd do that.
Total Ferrari/Alonso paranoia as the FIA is now run a bit more impartially than it used to be.
[Edited on 28/6/10 by norfolkluego]
Or maybe the Stewards just made a mistake! That's more along the lines I was thinking.
Alonso didn't say there was a conspiracy, he said the result was manipulated which is something quite different.
Clearly the race result was manipulated due to the timing of the safety car deployment which was the call of the race director, not the stewards.
Charlie Whitings priority was getting medical assistance to Webber I expect. Then it was further affected by the illegal overtake by Hamilton. Then it
was further affected by the delay in issuing the penalty, and by the fact the penalty was so lenient. I'm pretty sure that Alonso doesn't
believe that Charlie Whiting, McLaren, Hamilton and the Stewards are conspiring against him... 
However, the race result was affected by all this and the stewards had an opportunity to redress the balance by issuing a stop and go penalty which to
my mind would still be lenient for overtaking a medical car but would take into account the small margin by which the offence occurred. Instead they
issued a penalty which was negated by their own slowness to respond. Then of course they rub salt in Alonso's wounds by issuing those stupid 5
second penalties at the end.
THis all sends out a very poor message in a sport where safety is supposed to be a priority.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 09:11 PM |
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Quotes from Alonso
"It was unfair - we respected the rules and didn't overtake under the yellow flag,"
"I do not know what the penalty should be."
Well if you don't know what the penalty should be you don't know that it's unfair do you.
He's gobbing off because the 'new' Ferrari isn't as quick as he needs it to be, they haven't caught up with Red Bull or
McLaren and McLaren have their upgrade coming for Silverstone
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craig1410
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 09:20 PM |
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Your nit-picking now I feel...
You don't need to know what a penalty should be in order to know that the penalty given is unfair.
What I can say is that, at the time, I got all excited at the prospect of Hamilton being given a stop and go which would have put him back near
Alonso. I was watching the relative times and he was about 26sec ahead of Alonso at the time. That would have given the fans back the race which they
almost got due to Alonso closing in on Hamilton before Webber's crash. When I realised he was only doing a drive-through I was pretty gutted
because it was a non-penalty.
In his post race interview Alonso was very calm and professional much to the chagrin of his haters I think.
The Ferrari is right up there now with the Red Bull's and McLaren's and I'm sure the season is far from over. Both McLaren an
Red Bull drivers are taking points away from each other but Alonso is hardly losing any points to Massa which should give him the edge in
"normal" races.
I've got £25 on Alonso at 4 to 1 and don't plan on ripping up my ticket just yet!!
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 11:24 PM |
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Not nitpicking at all, if he'd said the penalty should be X or Y, fine, get the FIA to change the procedure . He's just moaning though,
all drivers get disadvantaged at some point by safety cars, he got caught this time.
And if I may say so, Alonso moaning about someone getting an advantage from a safety car is a bit rich, Singapore, Piquet, crash, Alonso unexpected
win, remember? not as he knew anything about it, Martin Brundle didn't call him Teflonso for nothing.
Not a fan of Mr Half Second a lap as is probably obvious. Great driver but a bit of a paranoid obnoxious snake in my opinion.
[Edited on 28/6/10 by norfolkluego]
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craig1410
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 11:28 PM |
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We're never going to agree on any of this so what's the point.
Personally I'd like to see some proper racing. Between unexpected rain, unexpected lack of rain, safety car issues and various reliability
issues I don't think we have seen the sort of wheel to wheel racing that we used to see in years gone by. Let's hope that Silverstone is a
straightforward, good quality race!
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 28/6/10 at 11:50 PM |
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Well we agree on that
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craig1410
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| posted on 29/6/10 at 07:50 AM |
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Hurray
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