Humbug
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Mcrae had no valid helicopter licence
... according to BBC here (and in the papers).
licence was 2.5 years out of date and his type rating for that type of helicopter was also out of date. According to the Times, he also hadn't
asked permission to take his son's friend on the flight
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:12 PM |
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oops
I went right off going in real heli's once I learnt to fly r/c ones. Damn fragile things that crash at any opportunity. I even bought a book
call 'Fatal traps for helicopter pilots and then there really was no way I was going up in one
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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NeilP
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:13 PM |
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That's not going to be a good state of affairs all round - more distress to come for the families I fear ...
If you pay peanuts...
Mentale, yar? Yar, mentale!
Drive it like you stole it!
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tegwin
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:32 PM |
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If you read the complete crash report from the AAIB it basically shows that in the two flights preceeding the crash he was doing low level
"stunt" flying with his passengers onboard... luckily there is video footage to prove this...
On his final flight he must have been playing the same game... and that is what the radar and GPS mapping shows...
He dived down into the river valley, went to pull up steeply to pop over the trees to his house and screwed up.... Breaking douzens of laws...
As a pilot I find it pretty disgusting and irresponsible behaviour...you can have fun...but not so much that it kills you!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:40 PM |
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well really its irresponsible cos it wasn't just his life he was risking. Unfortunately it sounds like he was just showing off
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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bob
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:52 PM |
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I would think the implication re insurance would bankrupt the family, no doubt colins life insurance company are looking into this.
It makes the hole episode even more tragic
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Jasper
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 02:57 PM |
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What a total bloody idiot, I don't care how good a driver he was, no licence and the wrong helicopter and flying like a twat ..... and with
other people on board - could he have been any more reckless?
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 03:08 PM |
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A 'seat stick interface problem' as my RAF mates put it..... doesn't bring any of them back though.
Chris
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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scootz
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 03:58 PM |
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Really disappointing news!
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scootz
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 06:26 PM |
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Interesting how this thread has (not) developed... had it been anyone but McRae, then we would have been on Page 10 by now voicing our anger, etc.
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Jubal
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 06:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Interesting how this thread has (not) developed... had it been anyone but McRae, then we would have been on Page 10 by now voicing our anger, etc.
It's too sad. Realising a motorsport hero was in fact a show off resulting in a tragic error in judgement.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 07:34 PM |
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Having watched footage taken from rally cars driving though forests, it's obvious that anyone who would do that sort of driving is either an
adrenaline junkie, or very stupid and could not predict the effect of hitting a tree at those speeds.
Fair to assume that McRae got off on extreme danger, and that carrying over into his flying should not surprise anyone
Jophn
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Fozzie
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 08:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Interesting how this thread has (not) developed... had it been anyone but McRae, then we would have been on Page 10 by now voicing our anger, etc.
I think a lot of us have been struck dumb tbh.
I am totally lost for words ....
I did read this report a day or so ago, and still cannot believe he did this especially as he had two little lads on board. I was hoping that the
report was going to be deemed one of those evil rumours...sadly it seems not.
It seems from the report I read, that he had no formal training with that particular helicopter, and, from what I read, nor that particular model.
It was reported that it had a peculiarity about it that under certain conditions it appears as though it has failed, when in fact it hasn't.
Not knowing about the workings of helicopters (apart from being a passenger in them), I probably haven't explained that very well....
Absolutely tragic for all involved and left behind.
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 08:14 PM |
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I tried to google "servo transparency phenomenon" - some copters have hydraulics to help the pilot, but they can only push a certain
amount. If the pilot loads them too much they stop pushing, and they feel as though they've frozen, but in fact the pilot's feeling the
full load without assistance.
A bit like driving a car with power steering, and suddenly the power assistance stops working - you can still turn the wheels, but it takes a huge
amount of effort.
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Fozzie
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 08:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I tried to google "servo transparency phenomenon" - some copters have hydraulics to help the pilot, but they can only push a certain
amount. If the pilot loads them too much they stop pushing, and they feel as though they've frozen, but in fact the pilot's feeling the
full load without assistance.
A bit like driving a car with power steering, and suddenly the power assistance stops working - you can still turn the wheels, but it takes a huge
amount of effort.
Thanks David, your explanation I do understand!
It doesn't bear thinking about as to what he was doing to put it under such load then does it?
I personally will never forget that day We were in Nairn having attended the funeral of a cousin on 'that' morning.
The weather there, in Nairn, was awful, incessant rain and wind........
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 13/2/09 at 08:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I tried to google "servo transparency phenomenon" - some copters have hydraulics to help the pilot, but they can only push a certain
amount. If the pilot loads them too much they stop pushing, and they feel as though they've frozen, but in fact the pilot's feeling the
full load without assistance.
They still provide assistance, but the load is simply greater than the maximum force the servos can generate. The pilot feels the balance of these
forces on his/her controls.
This book
suggests it can occur under fairly begign conditions as well.
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tegwin
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| posted on 15/2/09 at 01:25 PM |
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Otherwise known as jack-stall... Fairly common in that type of helicopter when you do pushovers.... which is exactly what he was doing...
Had he been regularly trained on that helicopter he would have been made aware of what can happen when the servo goes transparent...
Stupid Stupid Tw@t
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