andybod
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 posted on 9/10/04 at 04:34 PM |
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which engine
whilst i,m waiting to collect my velocity kit in a couple of week,s i just can,t decide which engine option to go for either honda st1100 pan
budget,ing around £1200 for basic engine and reverse box
or zetec i,ll have the same budget and would probably leave in injection and modify to throttle bodies at a later stage what,s required for zetec rwd
conversion the velocity will be built for road use and wife must be able to drive it unfortunitly any advise would be appriciated and is there any one
in and around derby /burton on trent with one of these ta
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wilkingj
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| posted on 9/10/04 at 06:23 PM |
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Well... I am starting with a fairly standard cheapo engine, a 2.0 litre Pinto.
The aim is to get the car up and running, and through the SVA. THEN change it to how I want it, ie V8, etc etc. I even have the V8, but it is in need
of a rebuild.
This will cost more money, and need to be funded. Hence the lesser engine to get it on the road, so I can appreciate my handiwork, and then spend
longer deciding on exactly how I want it.
To put in a fullblown V8, T5 box etc etc, may not be exactly what I want. I dont really know. It what I think I want. So starting with something std
and easy and cheap will not waste time and money, whilst I decide what I really want. It will also give me a spare engine and box, should I need to
take the v8 out for major surgery etc.
At the end of the day a 2.0 Pinto may be wonderful and I keep it that way (or probably NOT!!)
Its to give me an easier SVA, and time to think, and time to get the money together.
Geoffw.
PS... ROLL On Nov6th... delivery day!.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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andybod
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| posted on 9/10/04 at 06:30 PM |
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delivery day oct 23rd on holiday nov 05th so not going to be alot happening till then i.ve been offered a 1800 cvh for little money not best engine
but manifold on correct side for zetec i like the look of the honda pan and have been offered a very good second hand reverse box for reasonable
money but the guy has said they can have problem,s gettin pan through sva on emmission,s so stuck as to what to do
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Steve Lovelock
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| posted on 11/10/04 at 08:02 PM |
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I would have thought that a Zetec engine first off would make more sense than a pan European engine. I may just be prejudiced but as a sports bike
person I don't rate the PE in a bike so in a car it would be even less desirable. On top of that you will have all the SVA agro, gearbox issues
and wiring etc. So, I'd say that if you were going to do a bike engine then do a decent one and a Pan European is a dull bike engine from a
very dull bike.
Call me opinionated though.
I am also due to pick up a Luego in a few weeks and am thinking of a Vauxhall 16V or possible a Sierra Cosworth turbo if I can find a donor for a
suitable amount of money, i.e. not very much.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 12/10/04 at 08:59 AM |
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I'm also picking my Velocity up on 6th November so might see you there Geoff ?
Going for the pinto inj but a few years down the line, who knows ??
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hurf69
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| posted on 12/10/04 at 02:52 PM |
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i would try and get a 2.0 duratec for that money i sold one for 1100 quid which had 160 bhp and it was mint . they are lighter and stronger than the
zetec.
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Steve Lovelock
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| posted on 12/10/04 at 03:42 PM |
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£1,100 for a Duratec sounds good value, did that have fuel intake system & timing for that price?
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andybod
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| posted on 12/10/04 at 04:54 PM |
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zetec
thank,s for the advise i think pre 95 zetec is looking best option on a cost base may even get a few fast bit,s with the budget please keep argument,s
for and against coming any further suggestion.s appreciated still have time to change my mind
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hurf69
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| posted on 13/10/04 at 09:51 AM |
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yes it did have timing and fuel intake .
zetecs are very good and pre 95 will save you alot of fannying about with cats etc (personally I prefer fannying with pussys)
I have a 1800 zetec in mine and that goes fine ,with a few trick bits you can have them running very nice .
Have you seen the 350bhp one on ebay ? NICE
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hurf69
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| posted on 13/10/04 at 09:54 AM |
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now thats the boy !!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72205&item=7926649627&rd=1
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ChrisW
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| posted on 13/10/04 at 06:03 PM |
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Zetec can be done the expensive way or the cheap & sensible way (assuming you junk the standard injection.
ESC2 box from mk5 Escort plugs straight in to the standard Zetec sensors and can be got for a fiver from a scrapper. Then add a pair of Weber
40's (£200-ish off ebay) and you're running.
Chris
My gaff my rules
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wilkingj
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| posted on 14/10/04 at 11:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
I'm also picking my Velocity up on 6th November so might see you there Geoff ?
Going for the pinto inj but a few years down the line, who knows ??
I hope to be fairly early, as I am only in Cambridge. Where abouts do you hail from?.
Hope to see you on the 6th.
Regards
Geoff
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andybod
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| posted on 14/10/04 at 04:46 PM |
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sorry to sound stupid what,s the esc2 box does this do away with mondeo e.c.u and connect to mondeo crank sensor e.t.c so very little modifaction if
so have you any more info pictures wiring diagram,s as this sound,s promising thank,s
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ChrisW
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| posted on 14/10/04 at 06:50 PM |
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Andy
It takes a feed from the Zetec CPS, air temp and coolant sensors plus a vacuum line from the manifold. Drives a standard Zetec coil pack.
I've tried it on a 2.0 Zetec from a 96 Mondeo and it was straight forward. I assume others will be the same.
You find them on the very first mk5 manual Escorts and Orions with a carb (*not* injection) eg 1.3 HCS & 1.4/1.6 CVH. Either the ESCP1 or ESC2
box will work.
Chris
[Edited on 14/10/04 by ChrisW]
 
Rescued attachment esc2.jpg
My gaff my rules
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andybod
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| posted on 15/10/04 at 04:34 PM |
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i think that answer.s which engine to go for now all i need to do is start looking for relevant bit,s thank,s for any advise which has been given
does anybody need a good s,h, quaife reverse box i do know where there,s one coming out of a westfield
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 17/10/04 at 09:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
You find them on the very first mk5 manual Escorts and Orions with a carb (*not* injection) eg 1.3 HCS & 1.4/1.6 CVH. Either the ESCP1 or ESC2
box will work.
Does that not give you a CVH igntion advance curve for your Zetec?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 17/10/04 at 08:04 PM |
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Yes - this will give you a CVH advance curve.
However, the zetec is an evolution of the CVH so will be close enough to get you running.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 18/10/04 at 10:55 PM |
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It may not be perfect, but it is very cheap. It's either that, or spending out on a programmable unit (or use megasquirt, which I've also
been playing with recently)
Chris
My gaff my rules
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tks
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| posted on 27/10/04 at 10:29 AM |
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Velocity XT
i'm living in spain,
my kit arives next week.
also a velocity XT Yellow..
my engine will be a Honda VFR 800 V4, 16v
but maybe i change because i don't know if it wil fit, because its not a 4in line engine.
any one can measure for me some dimensions of the XT Chasis??
TKS
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Bo
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| posted on 27/10/04 at 07:06 PM |
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measurements
Sure thing
Which measurement do you want ?
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