MK9R
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 04:59 PM |
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Braked towing dolly
Used this to tow my ST all over the place. Its the narrow kind with small wheels which holds the towed cars front wheels above dolly wheels.
2 brand new 6 ply tyres
3 spare wheels and tyres
ramps
winch
It looks a bit tatty and could do with a lick of paint but tows brilliantly and all the important bits work perfectly
£180
Will be sticking it on ebay next week.
Cheers Austen
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 05:11 PM |
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This confuses the hell out of me, are these legal or not?
I'm interested, if it is, do you have pics? Where is it in the country?
Normally I'd be tempted to chance it, but my car is a company car and I can't risk their insurance not paying out in case of a crash! 
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dave1888
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 05:34 PM |
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I used an unbraked tow dolly to bring a mx5 up from Carlisle to Livingston on the M6/M74 2 police cars overtook me and never stopped so i would say
they are legal, that or they couldn't be arsed stopping me.
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dhutch
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 05:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
This confuses the hell out of me, are these legal or not?
They can be used "for the recovery of broken down vehicles" I beleave.
- How this translate to actuall allow usage i dont know?
- Have also heard of them being limited to 40mph on a m.way?
Daniel
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coozer
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 05:52 PM |
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They are illegal for us as they are intended for recovery only.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 06:14 PM |
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They are legally for recovery only, the reason the police didn't stop you is that most of them don't know the rules on minor/rare issues
like this. When you have an accident you can be sure someone's lawyer will.
This issue comes up on here practically every month.
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Trems
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 07:13 PM |
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Any pics?
www.tR3M5.com
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 07:41 PM |
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i can confirm that articulated towing (dollies etc) are for recovery and emergency use only.
saying that i doubt most police people know the relevant laws.
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will121
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 08:18 PM |
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A towing dolly generally for recovery only, as considdered a trailer and then all wheels must be braked ( not only the dolly wheels but the rear
wheels of the car being recovered) so by definition it is not a braked trailer - unless being towed by a heavy vehicle when may get away within the
un-braked capacity of the towing vehicle stated by the manufacture
i have also heard of a towing dolly which in addition to the brakes on the towing dolly also has a servo which applies the fot brake of the towed
vehicle which is then ment to be legal.
Saying all that there are plenty of dollys in use and i bet not all are recovering broken down vehicles!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 08:45 PM |
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But if you havent got any other way of transporting your pride and joy the 75miles to the track day, then it is an emergency..!!
quote:
Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
i can confirm that articulated towing (dollies etc) are for recovery and emergency use only.
saying that i doubt most police people know the relevant laws.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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chrisspartan
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 08:47 PM |
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Just wondering how the Motorhomes towing minis and other little cars get away with it then? or is it different when all 4 wheels are on the ground.
Motorhome drivers are quite a law abiding bunch??
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GregSL75
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 09:14 PM |
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If you go on a motorhome forum you'll find it's a constant source of debate.
But the general concensus is that it's illegal because as said above any wheels touching the road have to be braked if over 750kg MAM and every
car (other than a certain french Aixam model) has a total maximum weight over 750kg even if they weigh way under that kerb weight. If you tow a Mini
on an A-Frame then the Mini is a trailer and its manufacturer's plate says it's rated for 1200kg or similar.
The systems that tie into the brakes and use them are not legal because car brakes don't comply with the law for trailer brakes!
2.0 XE on GSXR TBs and Megasquirt
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GregSL75
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 09:23 PM |
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A-Frame / Dolly link from the National Trailer and Towing Association.
quote:
I have a motor home and want to tow a Fiat Seicento behind it using an A-frame. This car has a kerb weight under 750 kg so am I legal with this
outfit? Sorry no is the answer. The law regards this as an unbraked trailer and you are allowed to tow up to 750 kg Gross Trailer Weight, not a car’s
kerb weight. The figure you have to use is the car’s Gross Vehicle Weight or Maximum Permitted Weight. This is usually at least 300 - 400 kg more than
the kerb weight. We have no knowledge of any car sold in the UK that has a GVW under 750 kg. The only vehicle we know that is completely legal to tow
with an A-frame is the French Aixam small "car". This is a full four seater and details can be obtained from Aixam UK on 01926 886100. An
A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be
offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked
trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European
Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK
for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety.
Also the law on trailers says that even if the trailer IS under 750kg MAM if the wheels are braked then they must work, so I reckon even that Aixam
would be illegal, or a 7 plated to 750kg etc.
You could build a 7 with auto reverse trailer brakes and plate it to 750kg 
[Edited on 6/1/09 by GregSL75]
2.0 XE on GSXR TBs and Megasquirt
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zilspeed
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| posted on 6/1/09 at 10:21 PM |
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As stated earlier in the thread, you better believe that if it comes to an accident where soemone can put the bite on you, their lawyer will
definitely know the law.
I personally have knowledge of someone who used to use one and the police did stop him, told him the proper use of a dolly and advised him to stop
using the dolly.
Your choice...
My own choice is a four wheeled trailer.
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/1/09 at 07:15 AM |
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Yes its a grey area. I think what makes it even more grey is that when towing the 7 the weight is under 750kg, so no need for any of the wheels to be
braked.
I didn't think i could get a trailer on my drive so bought it and have towed it a few thousand miles and never been stopped. Its very easy to
store when not being used due to its size. I'll get some pictures up at the weekend when i can get some daylight
[Edited on 7/1/09 by MK9R]
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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