Toady1
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 posted on 8/3/06 at 06:09 PM |
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ride in a bec???
Hi people, im from Didcot (south Oxford) and thinking of selling the tvr cerbera for a bec, possibly a westy megablade. Is there anyone near the area
that would be willing to take me for a spin in theirs? would be much appreciated!!!
Liam
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kev R1
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 06:24 PM |
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prob none of my business but that was the car i was going to have, why spend nearly three times as much on a westfield when you can have just as much
fun,prob more in an mk!! mac1 etc!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nick205
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 06:28 PM |
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agreed, but are you going to offer the man a ride in yours to help him make up his mind?
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kev R1
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 06:31 PM |
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if it was sva'd and he was nearer, for sure!!!
another thing that put me off westfield was that they seemed a bunch of miserable gits,very unlike 99% of the people i've met since owning an
mk!
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 06:56 PM |
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If I had a solitary £ for every person Ive given a ride in my BEC (BEC's) I could retire a whole week early.............
I think the 260 mile round trip is a bit far though........
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 07:02 PM |
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i love scaring people
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R1minimagic
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 07:06 PM |
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How about a bike engined mini, i am in Carterton, but you would have to wait till the weather gets a bit better!!
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nick205
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 07:07 PM |
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Kev..
My Indy's a CEC and likewise not SVA'd or finished for that matter although Oxford isn't that far. I have also found fellow
MK'ers to be a cheery friendly bunch - which is nice 
Toady1..
When I was choosing I visited MK and was allowed to take their old blade engined Indy out for a toot with the missus. I had a scream but the
missus did nearly put the kaibosh on the whole thing  I had to reassure her that fitting a car engine would make the whole experience much more
enjoyable
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Nick
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Toady1
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 08:47 PM |
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R1minimagic - that would be excellent! i used to be really into minis back in the 90's! Is yours a Z-cars conversion? I too only take the cerb
out on sunny dry days due to lack of traction!
Kev R1 - i am considering other cars, but theres something about the westy that really appeals to me.
Nick205 - I may have to pop down to mk cars to test theirs out then, what was is about the mk blade that the other half didnt like? maybe i shouldnt
take mine along with me then??? has the cec choice changed her opinion?
cheers for the help tho guys!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/3/06 at 08:57 PM |
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If you do manage to get up to MK, try and make it a Saturday morning. There's usually a good selection of BECs and most owners would be only too
willing to take you for a spin
Phil
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 09:45 AM |
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To be fair Kev the Westy is a very good quality kit and doesnt cost 3x as much as an MK/Mac1 if you have like for like spec. You could build a
Megablade to a good spec for £12-13k or buy a second hand one a couple of years old for £9-10k. I seriously doubt you'd be able to build a same
spec MK / Mac1 for much less than £8-10k unless you're a serial scrapyard raider in which case its not really a straight comparison as
you'd spend shed loads longer building it and have a car with lots of second hand parts in it.
Im certainly not saying that the Mac1s / MKs / MNRs etc of this world aren't cheaper or as capable, but the price difference isnt as much as
suggested (unlike a Caterham )
cheers
Chris
[Edited on 9/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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Taz Surfleet
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:20 AM |
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"I seriously doubt you'd be able to build a same spec MK / Mac1 for much less than £8-10k "
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rubbish you can build a decent spec MK for around 5k using off the shelf new/recon parts then sell it fer a profit
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john_p_b
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Taz Surfleet
"I seriously doubt you'd be able to build a same spec MK / Mac1 for much less than £8-10k "
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rubbish you can build a decent spec MK for around 5k using off the shelf new/recon parts then sell it fer a profit
how?!?!
my pinto indy has ended up costing just the low side of 5k by the time i've finished messing about with it.
for a bec indy or similar i don't see any way of building one for under or near 5k to a similar spec to the megablade. not unless you find
someone depserate to get rid of a part built one at a stupid price!
built a car, built a home, had a family. lost the family, lost the home, still got the car.
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Taz Surfleet
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 10:45 AM |
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John I purchased the deluxe kit plus had the bike engine fitted by MK it came in at just under 3k the engine GSXR1100 was 450 inc wiring loom, rad,
ecu etc. the wheels were new from ebay at 400 for the set inc tyres that leaves me with 1k for incedentals (and these include new disc recon calipers
etc) ive problably gone just over 5k and that includes the quaife reverse box the only parts that came from the scrappy were the rear axle complete
and front uprights which just needed a rub down and paint (touch wood)! if id gone for an R1 or one of the later engines now popular then of course my
budget would be higher although you can pick blades up circa 250 on ebay now, thing that is amusing is that my standard locost is being built with
everything of e-bay, total cost so far is approx £900 and Ive nearly got everything it needs !including 2.0dohc engine
[Edited on 9/3/06 by Taz Surfleet]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 01:45 PM |
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I'd genuinely like to see a breakdown of the cost of a £5k BEC MK Indy because I still cant see how you can build an equivalent spec kit of any
kind for less than £7-8k. I found when I built mine that its all the little bits you forget about that add up and inflate the figure substantially,
like dash parts (switches, lamps etc), trim material, seats, harnesses, steering wheels, gear knobs, filler caps, and consumables like glues,
sealants, rivets etc etc.
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Taz Surfleet
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 02:21 PM |
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Chris ill put a spreadsheet together for you, including what was Included from MK to be honest I thought what they did for under 3k was very good
value, give me a few days tho !
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 02:35 PM |
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Cheers. I wouldnt disagree at all that MKs kits are bloody good value, I just didnt think they were quite that good value
Just having a quick browse at MK's price list, and over and above the £2500 Deluxe Kit I totted up other parts on the list which I assume
you'd need and that came to another £2,000+, so thats over £4500 without some major parts like engine, wheels/tyres and gauges etc, let alone
all the little bits mentioned before.
[Edited on 9/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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kev R1
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 05:36 PM |
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i have to disagree, a well set up mk would be no different to a westy, and as for build quality thats up to the individual!
mine will stand me at about 5k with a good spec!
lets face it at the end of the day we've all got square section steel chassis with a second hand bike engine in it! is this really worth 14k coz
it says westfield on it?
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OX
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 08:14 PM |
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my mk cost me 10k my m8s westy with the same engine cost him 14k ,if id known that before hand i would of built a westy,not just for the badge but
becouse every thing fits ,you might just have to file the odd hole slighty bigger .i love my MK but i would say the westy is worth the extra.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 09:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kev R1
i have to disagree, a well set up mk would be no different to a westy, and as for build quality thats up to the individual!
mine will stand me at about 5k with a good spec!
I didnt say a well set up Indy would be any inferior performance to a Westie, all Im debating is how you can build one for £5k, let alone one with an
equivalent spec to a Westie kit with all new parts such as radiators, diffs, propshafts, uprights, hubs, steering columns, steering racks etc, all of
which you get brand new with a full Westfield build without the need for a donor car or parts being modified. You can't have scrap yard / donor
/ modded parts in one and all brand new in the other and compare them on price, if you wanted you could build a Westie without all the above new parts
and go the donor route refurbing bits as you went along, and it would come out a lot cheaper than £14k so either way it doesnt stack up.
On top of that, unless things have improved a huge amount since I last laid eyes on an MK etc, Westfield GRP is head and shoulders above virtually any
other kit manufacturer, and thats something the individual cant control, however much care they take building the kit. Im not saying MK's GRP is
bad by any means, just that Westfield's is generally very good indeed.
[Edited on 9/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 9/3/06 at 11:16 PM |
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You can quite easily build an Indy for £5K if you spend your money wisely. I tend to agree with Chris though on the comparison between Westfield and
MK. Similar spec'd cars would see the Westfield coming in at 40-50% more than the equivalent Indy cost.
Phil
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 10/3/06 at 09:17 AM |
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Yep I agreee with that, Locost derived kit can certainly be built cheaper than a Westie, ~40% sounds about right as you found out with your £10k build
compared to a £14k Westie build.
I am genuinely suprised that you can get a BEC(?) MK of any description on the road for so little though, so it would be interesting to see a
breakdown (and I might start thinking about building one!)
cheers
Chris
[Edited on 10/3/06 by ChrisGamlin]
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dblissett
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| posted on 10/3/06 at 02:53 PM |
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ride
all this and i thought the guy wanted to try one not work out how much they cost
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Hellfire
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| posted on 10/3/06 at 05:39 PM |
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Ahh but we're one step in front. After having a passenger ride, how could he possibly refuse to buy & build one.........
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Toady1
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| posted on 10/3/06 at 06:48 PM |
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lol! yup....a ride in a bec, preferebly a fireblade engined car so i can see how well they go. Ive had fast cars all my driving life and now have a
very fast cerbera, but due to costs of repairs/parts and ease to work on, i want to get a kit car. Its my 2nd car too so practicality isnt an issue.
Its going to be used on track mainly, and sunny days! At the mo the cerb is only used on dry days so is a bit wasted imo, its a fantastic car, hence
why i dont want to put it on track. Just want to see how a bec goes compared to the cerb really, its gonna happen, but i want to get a feel for what
im letting myself into.
I would love to build my own one, but may be moving house within the next year, so a half built car in the garage would be a real pain
'ita' during moving, so will be looking to buy a 2nd hand couple of years old example, hopefully a westy megablade.
So...if anyone is near Didcot (50mile radius) i would love to come down and meet you to see your bec and get taken for a drive in it!!! many thanks in
advance!
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