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sammy

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:09 PM Reply With Quote
Single or twin brake master cylinder?

I am making my own floor-mounted pedal box, and am wondering whether to use a single (combination) master cylinder or twin master cylinders with a bias bar for the brakes.

Is there any real advantage on a road car to having twin master cylinders? I have sierra drum rear and cortina front calipers so braking isn't going to be great anyway!

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Mr Whippy

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:34 PM Reply With Quote
I got the twin bias’s bar jobby and to be honest I would never ever get another. Just a total caper to adjust and rather crude contraption. I'd much prefer a normal dual master cylinder with a bias valve for the rear instead. Also alot cheaper in the end.

You might just get away with no bias adjustment seeing your using drums at the back anyway. If I were you I'll just wait till you try it out and if it locks at the back just install the valve. I think you can get better pads for the front, green pads comes to mind but the brakes will be fine for such a light car.



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sammy

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:40 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for that Mr Whippy it's kind of what I was thinking, the bias bars look a bit fiddly although I must admit I've only seen pictures.





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DavidM

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:41 PM Reply With Quote
I'm using an Escort non servo master cylinder with Cortina discs at the front and Escort drums at the rear. It's fine for road use. I think you'd be suprised how good the set up is in a car as light as a Locost.

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Werner Van Loock

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:49 PM Reply With Quote
If you intend to keep the drums, use single master cylinder, the dual setup has no advantage and more possibility on problems and a possible sva fail if not done right, ie locking the adjusting mechanism and making sure balance is right.





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britishtrident

posted on 2/12/07 at 07:52 PM Reply With Quote
A balance bar system is just a temptation to twiddle -- potentially very dangerous for road use.

For track use it is a diffeent mater they are far from crude and give very fine adjustment of front to rear balance.





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Fatgadget

posted on 2/12/07 at 08:33 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
If you intend to keep the drums, use single master cylinder, the dual setup has no advantage and more possibility on problems and a possible sva fail if not done right, ie locking the adjusting mechanism and making sure balance is right.


I thought the reason why a dual braking system is one of fail safe?

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Bluemoon

posted on 3/12/07 at 09:40 AM Reply With Quote
Single in this case is actuality a dual circuit cylinder, i.e. standard fitments. Dual in this case is referring to two separate cylinders. Both are dual circuit.

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RazMan

posted on 3/12/07 at 11:58 AM Reply With Quote
I find the bias bar setup very fiddly to install but easy to adjust (you can get a dash adjuster which makes it even easier)

Having said all that, I will be going for a compensator valve next time.

In either case it is vital to do your calculations before buying the brakes - I ended up a little overbraked on the front despite winding the bias bar to the rear.





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