Rally Design are out of stock
and I can't find a supplier. If anyone knows anyone etc etc
I need a a pair URGENTLY. Cash waiting!
Rally Design are out of stock and I can't find a supplier.
If anyone knows anyone etc etc
MNR own Raceleda these days...
Yep, I phoned MNR but their prices are way above what RD where selling them for - nearly double at £370 in fact 
Even Westfield are miles cheaper at £295 so I might go with them unless I have misunderstood their specs.
Initially I assumed that the kits were different but apparently not so unless MNR sharpen their pencils I will wait for RD to get some stock (any day
now apparently) Their price is under £200 so it is possibly worth the wait
Jeeez these little blighters have gone up in price recently - even the second hand ones. No wonder people are copying them and hiking up the prices
[Edited on 27-7-07 by RazMan]
RD no longer souce these from MNR/Raceleda !!!!!
Would say alot more but not my place so MMMMmmmmmMMmmmmmmmm MMMm.
Regards
Agriv8
Nope, I gathered that was the case. However I do know that RD have found another source now, so hopefully the prices will get a bit more
reasonable.
[Edited on 27-7-07 by RazMan]
mhhh i looked at locostparts.net
and found this:
Raceleda Sierra Upright Kit its priced at 199.75 pounds.
the cortina ones are 329pounds.
sow already less pricey then on the MNR site. (yes i know that MNR site links to locostparts site..)
Tks
p.d.
Notice: Locostparts will be on a skeleton staff until the 27th of June - Marc is getting married!
Dunno looks a bit out of date anyway..
[Edited on 27/7/07 by tks]
Thanks tks, but I can't use the Sierra ones.
Something's not quite right there. The manufacturer selling for more than the distributor? £329 from Locostparts unless that is an out of date
price.
[Edited on 27-7-07 by RazMan]
Often the case, Companies giving low prices but have no stock.......
Companies with higher prices but can actually supply.......
Good luck
Mark
Just noticed that MNR also do a 'budget' rose jointed steel upright set for £225. The kit apparently includes adapter pins for the rose
joints which can presumeably be optional (normally £125) No pics on their website though
Does that mean that the uprights on their own are £100 then??
[Edited on 27-7-07 by RazMan]
OK I'm now officially confused
I just spoke to Chris at MNR and he told me that all the website prices are WRONG. THEY ARE DOUBLE THAT!!!
Apparently the website designer made a mistake and the prices are for ONE SIDE ONLY!! That make a pair of 'budget' steel uprights £310
I'm going to have a lie down now .......
i was told that rally design had had a copy made and are now having them manufactured in china, hence why they would be cheaper plus im pretty sure
that the upright kit they sell doesnt include brake brackets to attach calipers too they are extra
best regards
marc
just checked now and price from rd is 297 inc vat and we are £330 inc vat and carrige i think ( will have to check tomorrow to be sure )
Thanks Marc, I might have been given the wrong price from RD then - £195 sounded rather cheap but I will have to check on Monday now as RD are now
closed until then.
As a matter of interest, I have heard that the alloy ones are a bit iffy over 750kg - can you confirm this?
i wouldnt use them on anything heavier than 750 kg we get loads of people wanting to fit them on triumph gt6 s and other historic cars but refuse to
sell them as they where never supposed to be used on anything other than 7 type cars
i checked the prices in the r d catalogue so i think they are correct ???,
best regards
marc
Not trying to be contentious, and i have no first hand knowledge of this, but have heard of instances of the westy cast uprights failing when fitted
with powerful calipers,soft pads and slicks. The tale was told to me by someone closely associated with hillclimbing, so i guess they were fitted to a
hill car and therefore being given real stick. Could be an urban myth, but if it is true it maybe gives an indication that ally is not so good when
pushed or abused.
In a road car i would be worried about the stresses inflicted by the rotten state of the roads.
Al.
mhhh..
i now have spotted this:
linky
unther in the left corner you can select either sierra or cortina??
200pounds looks feasable then...
Tks
Thanks guys - it is looking more and more like I need to think about the steel uprights as the cars I am building will be on the limit weight wise.
Just for a laugh, answer me this...
Have any of the aluminium alloy uprights being marketed, been tested and certified for road use by an authorised independant authority yet?
Do any of the suppliers provide a copy of that test certificate, if it should exist?
SVA and MoT will start picking these things up before too much longer.
Cheers,
Syd.
But then surely every other re-manufactured component would come under the same ruling wouldn't it? Wheels, racks, brakes, hubs etc etc. I really
don't think that will happen ..... for a while 
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
But then surely every other re-manufactured component would come under the same ruling wouldn't it? Wheels, racks, brakes, hubs etc etc. I really don't think that will happen ..... for a while
i'm with Syd...
bit by bit everyday we are letting the old famous way of making your own sportscar behind us....believe me...
what i just said will be the base for the rulez of tomorrow...
its just waiting on the first big accident what could happen and then the wheel starts spinning....
Tks
[Edited on 28/7/07 by tks]
I see your point but I am unaware of any BS standard that is required for these components so I can't really comment but I would have thought if
anyone is going to invest in the moulds and engineering expertise to make these things, then they would have to be fit for purpose at the very least.
Is there ANY legislation covering this area or are we talking hyperthetically?
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
I see your point but I am unaware of any BS standard that is required for these components so I can't really comment but I would have thought if anyone is going to invest in the moulds and engineering expertise to make these things, then they would have to be fit for purpose at the very least.
Is there ANY legislation covering this area or are we talking hyperthetically?
all our uprights are cast in the correct material and heat treated correctly by an iso registered company who also do work for may blue chip companies
hence the price
cheers
marc
quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
I see your point but I am unaware of any BS standard that is required for these components so I can't really comment but I would have thought if anyone is going to invest in the moulds and engineering expertise to make these things, then they would have to be fit for purpose at the very least.
Is there ANY legislation covering this area or are we talking hyperthetically?
Surely the same would apply to wishbones, hubs, even chassis in that case? - not to mention the recent De-dion axle fiasco shouted (at considerable
volume ) by calvinX.
As you say, practically anyone can make these parts and many of course do, but I can't recall anyone proudly exhibiting any sort of test
certificate stating that their product is 'safe'. Perhaps this is a grey area which will receive more attention as SVA rulings get more
strict and this is the type of legislation which will kill the kit car market IMO, although I think everyone can see the reasons behind it.
Even my own chassis manufacturer, Aeon Sportscars, has gone to extreme lengths getting their geometry and durability destruction tested at LEDAR -
even wind tunnel testing the bodywork, but I don't think even they have any certification that means anything to the likes of the average builder
- it's mainly reams of spreadsheet data from what I have seen.
[Edited on 29-7-07 by RazMan]
Standards are set by SAE, and testing can be done by STATUS for anyone in the kit industry who is a member.
unfortunately syd i have been in contact with status who advised they are unable to test these items ???
cheers
marc
They were doing them 10 years ago, and I spoke to George re the very same thing at the a show a year or so back. Maybe you need to find another tester. If there is a sincere will there is a way. MIRA comes to mind quickly.
I don't normally get involved in this lot but feel I must defend our corner.
With regard to our ally uprights they are to the same design as Raceleda with the agreement of Bruce from Raceleda.
The reason it has taken so long to produce this product is that we are proceeding carefully with due diligence to safety standards.
I too am concerned about strength issues relating to ally uprights and agree with contributor Syd that non heat treated LM25 is totally unsuitable.All
our LM25 uprights will have a copy of a certificate stating the heat treatment performed.It would be sensible to ask for same from whoever you buy
cast ally uprights.
Raceleda had excellent results with their uprights and to my knowledge did not have a failure,however we are placing a 700kg upper weight limit on
this item until our testing reveals the possibility of that being relaxed.
With regard to 'slagging off' chinese manufactured components that is unreasonable-most of our chinese sourced parts are from an OEM
supplier who has quality control systems in place that are far more rigorous than most UK small manufacturers.I have to be honest and say that our
chinese supplier has lifted Rally Design's quality,his delivery deadlines are reliable,the product is well packaged and presented and at prices
which all kit car builders find attractive.We have rejected product made in China but equally have rejected rubbish made in the UK-we do not source
from the very cheapest for inevitably you do get what you pay for.
Many of the kit car manufacturers have lost their product liability insurance over the last 18 months because a leading underwriter lost confidence
after a powerful vehicle had a serious accident.
Rally Design is proud to advise that we maintained our product liability insurance because our underwriter respected that we have inspection and QA
standards that met their requirements.
Rally Design sources product from all over the world but in excess of 50% is still UK sourced.It's competitive prices are due to buying in big
volumes often from OEM suppliers,these volumes are always larger than the manufacturers and often they buy from us on a wholesale basis.
Hope that makes matters very transparent.
Dave Elderfield
Managing Director,Rally Design Ltd
quote:
I too am concerned about strength issues relating to ally uprights and agree with contributor Syd that non heat treated LM25 is totally unsuitable.All our LM25 uprights will have a copy of a certificate stating the heat treatment performed.It would be sensible to ask for same from whoever you buy cast ally uprights.
Ref the Chinese sourcing of some parts. I work for a large chinese automotive component manufacturer as their European Project Manager. It is true
that some Chinese companies will produce and supply what they can get away with but from first hand experience there are some companies out there that
do operate to strict control procedures. I often recieve comments from my customers that their European suppliers struggle to achieve the same
standards that we do as a matter of course.
Im not saying by the way that mistakes dont happen, we all understand that they do in any industry. Im just keen to point out that just because
products are made in a low cost economy it does not mean they are automatically low quality.
I wasn't saying that a certificate from STATUS was mandatory. It's just that I know STATUS was set up to specifically help the kit industry,
and still does so.
Any test to SAE standards would be acceptable anywhere.
I wouldn't put a non tested ali casting on a car for myself, nor anyone else. I most certainly wouldn't sell them as road suitable, if the
test certificates were not to hand.
Mr.Elderfield, as a responsible retailer, is probably undertaking that testing and certification as you read this, and will provide same 'Tested
and Certified For Road Use' when he has it.
Until then, ALL of these ali castings should be considered 'For Off Road Use Only'.
No certificate, not proven safe for road use.
When SVA and MOT take the insurers lead, you WILL be asked for proof of fitness for purpose.
Act responsibly, and get on top of the situation NOW, before the draconian Aus building system comes in. It's a lot closer than you may want.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 30/7/07 by Syd Bridge]