Toys2
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 11:52 AM |
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I like to collect things too, I collect names.
Names of people who have upset me on forums.
However what I am going to do with them is not of your concern.
You are also not in a position to imply what I am going to do with them.
So there is no ground for a discussion whatsoever.
But let me tell you that I like to collect names.
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Toys2
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 11:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
like a stamp album I suppose but you get endless SORN reminders to boot  . A SORN form fetish wow!  whatever next?
LMAO
Sorn mags, hard core and soft core Sorn, under the counter Sorn, internet Sorn
At least they are delivered in subtle brown envelopes
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Toys2]
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Toys2]
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 02:43 PM |
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I haven't looked into whether it's legal or not to try and buy v5 and vin but having a v5 and vin number and no car in which its attached
to is wrong and pretty dodgy in my eyes !!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 02:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ian locostzx9rc2
I haven't looked into whether it's legal or not to try and buy v5 and vin but having a v5 and vin number and no car in which its attached
to is wrong and pretty dodgy in my eyes !!
There is technically nothing wrong with buying them at all. Its what you then do with it that's the problem.
Mistral Motorsport
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 02:51 PM |
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But surely you would have to sorn it or insure and tax it but there's no vehicle ?
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AdrianH
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 04:54 PM |
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There is possibly a reason, may be still a bit dubious.
Just say you want ot build your self another kit car and do not what to get a Q plate.
If you had a V5 and Vin then in theory you could fit a new engine with number and get the paperwork changed. You could then use the V5 as a supposed
single donor car for your kit car, just say it was to damaged and decided to build another, could you then use that to get a sort of age related to
the original kit car and not a Q reg.
Did any of that make sense?
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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owelly
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 05:18 PM |
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The V5 stays with the chassis or unmodified monocoque. To establish if the vehicle can use the ID, then you use the DVLAs points system. Even then,
the ID stays with the chassis/'shell. It's possible to use a replacement chassis or 'shell but it must be new, the same as the
'donor' and unmodified.
[Edited on 7/7/16 by owelly]
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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AdrianH
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 06:11 PM |
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When I built my Kit car, I had the engine, gearbox, diff, steering column, wiring harness etc from a donor car, a sierra.
To show that it was a single donor I just showed the V5 to Vosa/DVLA, at an inspection prior to IVA, the numbers matched. By rights, I should not
have had the V5 as the car body was scrapped prior and gone off to a scrap yard, but without the V5, how could I go on to get an age related car
registration.
Now consider you are building a kit car, but want to build a certain style of car, with X engine and box etc, you don't want a Q plate as it
does not allow you to later change to a personalised one.
As I say, if you had a Vin plate and V5 what would stop you saying that this 'vehicle' had an engine change for the engine of your choice,
send off the V5 and get the details changed, the V5 would still have it's registration as Y kit car.
You then built your new kit from parts that supposedly came from this kit, you present to Vosa/DVLA say that you decided the Y kit car was to damaged
in a track-day so has been scrapped but the parts used to build a new. Would the points system work in your favour and let you get an age related
registration.
So might not be completely following the spirit of the rules to build a new kit, but you would not end up with a ringer.
You could in theory fit a Zetec to an old Sierra, get the numbers changed on the log sheet then later scrap to build a kit with it.
That could be a reason the OP is asking for a V5 and Vin plate???????
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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Neville Jones
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 06:30 PM |
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For any of this above to be the least bit feasible or useable, you'd have to have the engine that matches the V5, wouldn't you? The bit
about sending off the V5 with an engine change has been tried before.
We tried this here, and got asked for an engineers report on the engine swap. End of story, unless you have a dodgy mechanic who'll write you a
report.
The intriguing bit, is why does it have to be a pre 2006 KIT? Pre '95 for emissions I can understand, but pre 2006???
Check this post. He's been after a car with a V5 for a while.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=203116
Ringing broken kits to good cars is very easy. Ask the guy up northeast who gets new 'Cateringvan' chassis from someone not too far from
here.
Nev
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Neville Jones]
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AdrianH
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 06:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
The bit about sending off the V5 with an engine change has been tried before. We tried this here, and got asked for an engineers report on the engine
swap. End of story,
Nev
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Neville Jones]
Did not know about the requiring engine report. My only dealings with this have been on swapping an Engine in a motorbike, the old engine had been
run without oil and was shot, I spoke to DVLA and asked what they wanted and was told just send us in the paperwork, no report was asked for, I was
not changing from one tax class to another. So I did as requested sent off the change details and was given a new V5 within 3 weeks, that was approx
18 months ago. So I wonder why you got asked for a engineers report?
Anyway I was just suggesting there may be another reason to ask then doing a ringer..
Adrian
[Edited on 7-7-16 by AdrianH]
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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Neville Jones
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 06:49 PM |
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Change of capacity, hence a report. Going smaller they think you're fudging the system on tax, going bigger they want to know the brakes are
adequate.
At least that's how it was explained to me. A 2.3 Duratec in a Mk2 Cortina. Someone at DVLA identified the change of engine family, then wanted
to know how much else was altered, and maybe an IVA was needed depending on modifications.
Same for a Mini with a Suzuki GTI engine. I know some people just breeze through, maybe we were just unlucky to find some dear beaurocrat who knows a
bit about cars.
Oh for the days of just needing an MOT to register a kit.
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Neville Jones]
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AdrianH
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 07:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
Oh for the days of just needing an MOT to register a kit.
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Neville Jones]
Oh god no thanks.
I have seen some real death traps, probably in the older Robin Hood era when brake servo's and steering columns had been fastened on with
flattened copper tube. large parts of the chassis removed because they were too low. Sharp edges and a few other points that if I really thought
about it would put shivers down my spine in fear.
I think the SVA/IVA was a good thing if not a bit expensive.
Adrian
Just wondering is there any MSA/FIA type rules that do not apply to pre 2006 cars?
[Edited on 7-7-16 by AdrianH]
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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bi22le
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Toys2
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
like a stamp album I suppose but you get endless SORN reminders to boot . A SORN form fetish wow! whatever next?
LMAO
Sorn mags, hard core and soft core Sorn, under the counter Sorn, internet Sorn
At least they are delivered in subtle brown envelopes
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Toys2]
[Edited on 7/7/16 by Toys2]
That is hilarious. Even my wife laughed!!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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big_wasa
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| posted on 7/7/16 at 08:16 PM |
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My guess the age is to "import it" in to the eu. Maybe Ireland where the cost ( import duty and road tax ) is bassed on age and value.
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snapper
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| posted on 8/7/16 at 04:54 AM |
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Turbosports sticky
May be worth considering
V5 Sales... Ever.. not today not tomorrow and not next week.
Seeing as people don't read the rules I thought I'd make a sticky for a few weeks to remind people..
NO V5 Sales, EVER on this forum.
It's Illegal for a start, and it's all good until its YOUR car that goes missing and you go through the ball ache like I did last year
when my 2000 was stolen.
Anyone who advertises a V5 will be banned from selling on here, I will do it myself!!!
Yodi
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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nick205
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| posted on 8/7/16 at 07:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by reb
quote:
Originally posted by z2000
So what's the V5 and VIN for?
Think we're all curious now.
Cheers
I do not want to be inpolite by any means so do not take offense.
However what I am going to do with it is not of your concern.
You are also not in a position to imply what I am going to do with it.
So there is no ground for a discussion whatsoever.
But let me tell you that I like to collect things.
Anyway, I would appreciate it if you guys can keep my thread clean as long as you do not have any offers to make.
IMHO your way out of this is to explain clearly to us why you want them and what you intend to do with them. Some clarification from you may well put
people more at ease with what you're asking for. Myself I can't see them being available from people on the LCB forum as the worry would
be too high of being implicated in something improper.
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