carpmart
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:30 PM |
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Bailiff powers - WOW!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5375668.ece
I can never see myself being in the situation where this would impact me personally but assuming I 'owed' money and a bailiff was
collecting, what would give that individual the arbitrary right to be able to forcibly restrain (assault) me in my own home.
I can see this power being severely abused!
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Danozeman
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:36 PM |
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I reckon in this current economic climate they had to give powers like that,.
However
If they ever tried that on me they wouldnt get very far.
Dan
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:39 PM |
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where do private bailiffs stand though if your house or property is too secure to kick a door down or gain access to generally
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:41 PM |
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So has this been passed yet? 
Truely shocking stuff!
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Peteff
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:45 PM |
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A private rented house round the corner from us was the subject of an eviction earlier this year. The police did the entering as I was walking by. The
bailiff knocked politely on the door and got no reply, turned round to the two policemen and said, "Open it" and they hit it with the
universal key (ram). The female occupant was evicted and within three days was living in another house further down the street, what's the
point?
yours, Pete
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:45 PM |
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simple solution:
role back carpet from front door
dig hole just inside front door,
fill hole, options include: punji sticks, sharks, tigers, acid
carefully replace carpet
If in serious debt clean once a week to avoid build up of scum (i mean baliffs). This is a suitably locost solution. Alternatively you could have an
Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail type trap system, but this would take more engineering and money.
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Z20let Corsa
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:47 PM |
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i have to say that if i was in that situation they wouldnt get very far with me either. they would be flat on their back!!
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:48 PM |
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My grandfather and father were committed labour party supporters. My dad even refused to speak to me for a year or so after I said what a good idea it
was of thatchers to give council tenants the right to buy, how they would both turn in their graves at the way the modern labour party has gone....I
can't even go the doctors in case he gives me a prescription for more than 2 items, but the lazy twat next door with 5 kids gets it all for f++k
all
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chrisg
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:54 PM |
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Be fair, if there were no bailiffs (or traffic wardens) there wouldn't be any jobs for the kids that were bullied at school.
Or men with exceedingly small genitals.
Cheers
Chris
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error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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andyharding
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Z20let Corsa
i have to say that if i was in that situation they wouldnt get very far with me either. they would be flat on their back!!
Yeah, flat on their backs, laughing at the meat head who thought he was tougher than 2 huge guys trained to do a job who is now in court on assault
charges.
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MikeR
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 04:57 PM |
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for those saying the bailiff would be flat on their back, remember the following ....
they may be just as experienced at what ever martial art you are,
they are legally allowed to be there
you will be assaulting them
they'll probably have the police backing them up / arresting you.
if someone is doing something legally, you're unfortunately probably better off just letting them do their job.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:04 PM |
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Andy and Mike are right, and even if one was able to use force and beat off the first attack, there would just be more next time.
John
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Daimo_45
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:05 PM |
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I say brilliant news!!! Twats who don't pay their court fines and then try and protect there valuables are the reason why the county court I
work for can't afford to repair a £50 fax machine and have only one male toilet for the whole building because the others are broken and too
costly to repair.
[Edited on 22/12/08 by Daimo_45]
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:18 PM |
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quote:
If in serious debt clean once a week to avoid build up of scum (i mean baliffs).
Unnecessary.
They've got a job to do like everyone else (apart from some of the folk they'll be evicting). If we all lived by the old ways of paying
for what you can afford other than racking up the debt then we'd not be in the financial shithole the world is in now.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Daimo_45
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:32 PM |
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quote:
If we all lived by the old ways of paying for what you can afford other than racking up the debt then we'd not be in the financial
shithole the world is in now.
Yup, idiots who can't live within their means...not a hard concept to grasp unless you're unfortunate to fall ill/have other unforeseen
justifiable hardships. It now means people like me in their early 20's can't get mortgages. At least the charging order was
invented!!!!!
[Edited on 22/12/08 by Daimo_45]
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graememk
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 06:23 PM |
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the power will go to there heads, jobs like this must be done by the police and the courts..
even the police cant break in without permission.
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balidey
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 06:49 PM |
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Its in the papers, it MUST be true.
My brother is a bailif, he was a debt recovery agent, but is now an appointed court bailif. The court work is basically jsut posting up a notice, a
locksmith does all the 'breaking in' and 9 times out of 10 the premises are empty. The rest of that story is scare mongering. Maybe 1 or 2
cases are like that, but thats out of hundreds of thousands.
The lines in the story about 'smashing down doors' and 'using force' are complete tosh and I am surprised that A that its not
from The Sun and B that you guys are getting worked up over a few non-facts
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stevebubs
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 07:02 PM |
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A bit less
sensational and a few more facts
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austin man
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 08:54 PM |
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Once had a bailiff and his co accused whoops colleague come to my house Id only just moved in previous owners ran up a bit of debt. When I explained
that they no longer lived here the Bailiff was having none of it and said he was entering to seize property. Funny thing was, when I showed him the
kitchen knife and introduced his colleague to my Doberman they didn't wish to persue the matter and went for the Police who then backed up my
story. Wonder what would have happened if only my missus was around
there is a need for bailifs I agree but they need to be able to listen.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 09:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Its in the papers, it MUST be true.
My brother is a bailif, he was a debt recovery agent, but is now an appointed court bailif. The court work is basically jsut posting up a notice, a
locksmith does all the 'breaking in' and 9 times out of 10 the premises are empty. The rest of that story is scare mongering. Maybe 1 or 2
cases are like that, but thats out of hundreds of thousands.
The lines in the story about 'smashing down doors' and 'using force' are complete tosh and I am surprised that A that its not
from The Sun and B that you guys are getting worked up over a few non-facts
My experience of bailiffs is along these lines. I've worked with them fitting pre-payment electricity meters for those who refuse to pay their
debts. All the bailiff does is knock on the door. Although you'd be surprised at just how quick a good locksmith can get into a house! If there
is any bother, a bailiff will try and calm the stroppy person down, and if there's no joy, they call the police. Who can and will force entry,
as with my job, we needed a warrant to turn up anyway, so we were allowed in regardless.
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davie h
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 09:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
quote:
If in serious debt clean once a week to avoid build up of scum (i mean baliffs).
Unnecessary.
They've got a job to do like everyone else (apart from some of the folk they'll be evicting). If we all lived by the old ways of paying
for what you can afford other than racking up the debt then we'd not be in the financial shithole the world is in now.
i couldnt agree more folk want everything NOW big tv, best car etc etc wether or not they can actually afford it. they pay with credit cards or get
it on hp and we are supposed to feel sorry for them when they cant pay. the must haves are the reason this country is stuffed. there are far to many
people living a champange lifestyle on a beer income.
Davie
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owelly
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 09:58 PM |
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The only experiences with bailiffs have been bad ones. Thugs banging on my door, then frightening the hell out of my elderly neighbours, trying to
force thier way into my house, for debts I knew nothing about!! I thought I was being robbed!
I tried to explain to no avail. I offered to pay whatever it was they wanted me to pay (hoping I could sort things out once these goons had gone away)
but they didn't want money! They wanted to come into the property, seize goods and make an inventory of the other stuff I had!
I got a bit angry and kicked the crap out of one of them and the other left.
It turned out that Car Phone Warehouse had paid a company (who employed these apes) to recovery a debt awarded to them for a default on a mobile phone
contract.
I'd never heard of the name on the paperwork and the address of the correspondance was over 200 miles away in Luton!!!
These powers are good when they are correct but dangerous when they are wrong.
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caber
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 10:08 PM |
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My experience of bailiffs goes back to the 1980s when I worked for a company that were pretty much insolvent most the time. I was pretty good at
confusing the heck out of them as to who owned what as there were a number of companies at the same address. What did bother me was what happened to
seized goods. Most were sold at closed auctions to "invited traders" who basically dropped the bailiffs a wodge of cash to get in and pay
pretty much nothing for the goods.
Generally the system didn't work for the creditors nor the debtors but the bailiffs made a load of money!
Caber
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 10:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by davie h
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
quote:
If in serious debt clean once a week to avoid build up of scum (i mean baliffs).
Unnecessary.
They've got a job to do like everyone else (apart from some of the folk they'll be evicting). If we all lived by the old ways of paying
for what you can afford other than racking up the debt then we'd not be in the financial shithole the world is in now.
i couldnt agree more folk want everything NOW big tv, best car etc etc wether or not they can actually afford it. they pay with credit cards or get
it on hp and we are supposed to feel sorry for them when they cant pay. the must haves are the reason this country is stuffed. there are far to many
people living a champange lifestyle on a beer income.
Davie
Agree entirely with the debt based society we live in and the problems that causes (although its an inherent flaw with any market run capitalist
society).
Couldnt disagree more with bailiffs just doing their jobs. Everybody gets to pick the job they have, policemen, bailiffs, traffic wardens etc choose
the job for a reason.
I'm applying for the RAF for the prestige and to fly very fast. I'd join the bailiffs if i wanted to be the guy who took other peoples
possessions.
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graememk
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 11:15 PM |
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if you want money out of someone just apply for an attachment of earnings, by far the best way.
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